Hamer Phantom A5 Prototype Kahler/3x3 Headstock

[wgarces]

Woof! Grrrrrrrrrr

[paults]

It wasn't that long ago that $400 was what a nice one would go for (exiting geezer 350 mode!)

[seaofstrings]

OMG this is hilarious... you really think 90% of us are stupid??? here let me quote your so called "listing change"

There have a been a few questions, so I will address them here. The Kahler is the original, as well as the finish on the body, neck, and headstock. This prototype does NOT have a serial number, it is a pre sig model. Here are a few more pictures for you. Thank you

Now as most know by now i dont play games.... so here let me clarify a few things for ya... ITS A REFINISH DIPSHIT!!!!!!!

Goodness, you guys keep getting smarter and smarter. Look at the date it was done, before any of it was mentioned here. So before calling anyone a dipshit, you should learn that your the second one to make that same mistake in this thread alone buddy.

You guys should really take your sparkling hamers and go play instead of writing to each other in a forum.

So basically it seems that I am told to take everyones word here, no matter right or wrong, no matter whether your trying to get me to sell cheaper, no matter....

I know where this guitar came from, I will not end my listing because three "forum hounds" are telling me different.

I do not feel the need to return here to comment on more mistakes, or correcting posters who jump to calling names without reading what has actually happened.

Here's a good idea, don't want it? Don't like it? Hmm...don't bid on it. That simple!

It appears my coming here to the hamer community was a mistake. Instead of offering a guitar to the world, I get snarling children commenting on my post. That is fine, so be it.

And I am sure, without a doubt, one or two of you are hitting the "qoute" button to go ahead and add even more childish remarks because all of you are right, and the origin of this guitar is wrong.

Enjoy.

[seaofstrings]

"Dear potential bidder, ".....

Yes, that is rather mature too.

Goodness, because you three have a uniform opinion, it is best to ruin the sale of a guitar?

Stick with the forums.

[BCR Greg]

It appears that you are losing, sir. The guitar is clearly refinned, Hamer offers up NO guitar without a serial number. Several informed posters here have informed you of your misinformation. What is "Pre Signature" anyway?

Your inability to accept the fact that you are lying and that many more informed people have called you on it make you the loser here. Harsh? Yup. But a young kid that bought your POS and found out that he had been taken would have been more harsh, I suspect.

Your coming to the Hamer community was a mistake, alright. You walked in full of crap and expected us to eat it. We didn't.

[serial]

Dude-I specifically emailed you OFF of the board to avoid trashing your sale and to give you an opportunity to correct your mistake. Trust me, I KNOW what you've got and what you don't-ask the guys at Hamer about what you have-they'll either tell you the same thing or forward you here. It's a refinished '80s Phantom with no serial number b/c the serial number was lost when the finish was stripped. I told you how to tell that the Kahler wasn't original (forgot to mention that the nut wasn't EVER used on a Hamer from the factory and came much later to the world of Kahler) by the trem route, but you somehow managed to post the direct opposite info on your auction AFTER I emailed you the info. That raised some hackles here. I still tried to remain positive, but frankly you reap what you sow.

[kenjones]

Greetings seaofstrings,

Please consider this as a "civil" reply to your original posts regarding this guitar. I wouldn't consider myself the top Hamer expert around here, but here's the deal with your guitar as I see it.

The guitar is a Hamer "Phantom". The Phantom was the successor to an earlier model called the Hamer "Prototype". A Hamer Prototype is the basically the same guitar as a Phantom, except the Prototype did not have a neck pickup - it only had the triple coil at the bridge. Perhaps when you bought the guitar you were told it was a Hamer Phantom/Prototype and you thought you heard that it was a prototype of a Hamer Phantom. In other words, the two models are very similar - sort of like a Telecaster and an Esquire. I remember back when the "Prototype" model was first released (1982? 1983?). I thought at the time that it was a confusing name for a guitar.

It has definitely been stripped of its original finish. That is why there is not a serial number on the back of the headstock. Hamer never did a finish that looks quite as "homemade" as the finish on your Phantom.

The Kahler is not original. Why would the back of the guitar be routed for a strat-type spring cavity if the Kahler was original? Your guitar originally had a "Sustainblock Trem" - which is basically very similar to a standard strat tremolo.

Anyway - that's the facts. Do with it what you will.

[kizanski]

You guys should really take your sparkling hamers and go play instead of writing to each other in a forum.

Since The Muse went home for the day...

[Nuclear Wessel]

Goodness, because you three have a uniform opinion, it is best to ruin the sale of a guitar?

OK, let me make it four.

It's not a question of ruining your sale, SOS. It's a question of you ruining some less informed E Bayer's purchase by misrepresenting your item. Is that your intent? You're starting to give that impression.

[edgar_allan_poe]

Here is what he adds to the e-bay add. Sorry, but this is just fucking wrong. Talk about misrepresenting an item...

I have been getting a lot of emails regarding this guitar. From original kahler to not original, to very few natural finishes made to not original finish. It seems everyone has mixed emotions. This is exactly how the guitar came to me then, I haven't changed a thing on it. Also, a local music store here is having a sale on cases, so if the reserve is met I will be throwing in a hard shell case also! The shipping amount will not change because of this.

[Nuclear Wessel]

SOS lists the guitar on E Bay on 10-30. The auction runs until 11-1.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1984-Hamer-USA-Phantom...1QQcmdZViewItem

In that time, he's informed the guitar was re-fin'ed and modified, no doubt by some 80's DIY guitar hot-rodder. He says he hasn't had a chance to update his ad but he will. The auction ends with the reserve unmet.

So what do I see today on E Bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI..._Pr4_PcY_BID_IT

The same erroneous description for the guitar! His listing, put up 11-1, plainly reads

There have a been a few questions, so I will address them here. The Kahler is the original, as well as the finish on the body, neck, and headstock. This prototype does NOT have a serial number, it is a pre sig model. Here are a few more pictures for you. Thank you

Yeah, that is blatantly misrepresenting an item.

[mc2]

Well....one thing about his auction says it all:

PRIVATE AUCTION

...so none of the unsuspecting bidders can be warned.

[BCR Greg]

Asshole.

[tomteriffic]

Gee, I hope comes back, the popcorn's almost ready!

[DavidE]

I stayed out of it for awhile, but I guess my initial instinct was correct.

[wgarces]

Ok, I have had this one for about 10-12 years, and time has come to fund a new amp. I have been getting into strats too much the last few years.

I wil edit this later to add some photos. It has a natural finish, the only one I have ever seen. Kahler bridge, 3X3 headstock, tribucker and single at the neck. Great shape, a few dings on the headstock, otherwise in super shape. I take care of my guitars.

Not sure on price, I have only seen a couple on ebay in the last few years, so throw something at me.

I am ready to move this guitar as I really need a decent amp. (sold most of them few years back).

Sorry for dust on headstock

Hi,

Thank you for your email. We will try to help you as much as possible, however we are eBay Trading assistants which means we sell items on eBay for other people. Therefore we are not the owner of this item.

We do not release our reserve prices for items. We believe it keeps the auction fun for everyone this way!

I will work on trying to get the answers to your questions below from the consignor as they are a little technical for us to attempt, and get back to you as soon as possible.

thank you

Georgia4Sale, LLC

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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:35 PM

Subject: Question for item #7362755128 - 1984 Hamer USA Phantom A5 Prototype Rare Model Guitar

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Hi FOS, I mean SOS,

Thank you for your response. So you owned the guitar 10-12 years?

You're a pawnshop vendor and you lied on your original post. And if you're not the vendor on Ebay, how can you make changes to the listing if you didn't even post it, whether you were at work or not? Why not mention it was on consignment on Ebay, here?

Sorry to say this my friend but I think you're FULL of shit. Not a good start here for you. Yes, I will go play my sparkling Hamer! You are the Weakest Link.

Buh-bye!

[BCR Greg]

[SirDouglas]

Well since the moron pulled a fast one and made to where i cant contact bidders and inform them of his fraud guess the next step is to continually report him for fraud to ebay... see how long it takes them to do something about it.... but as before ebay isnt known for its intelligence rather the gathering of funds... would be nice to just lynch people like this... make the world a better place... hope i never run across em... oh well.... back to playing my sparkling guitars... becasue i keep them clean and dont tear them up.... but i do play them all..... and i can sleep at night knowing i dont screw people over to make money....you cant take it with you when you die......and monye doesnt create happiness... but buys alot of hookers and beer....

Sir Douglas

Randy

[cmatthes]

You could always post a "mirror" auction, but list all the flaws, or perhaps post a link to this thread for prospective buyers to see...

[SirDouglas]

wow it appears some one is shill bidding this also.. hmmmmmmmm wonder who that could be.... so sad... he really must need to sell this bad

Sir Douglas

Randy

[wgarces]

wow it appears some one is shill bidding this also.. hmmmmmmmm wonder who that could be.... so sad... he really must need to sell this bad

Sir Douglas

Randy

Hey Sir Douglas, What's shill bidding?

[tomteriffic]

wow it appears some one is shill bidding this also.. hmmmmmmmm wonder who that could be.... so sad... he really must need to sell this bad

Sir Douglas 

Randy 

Hey Sir Douglas, What's shill bidding?

Shill bidding is the practice of getting an ally (or even yourself under another identity) to bid up the price in the hope that the winner will wind up paying significantly more for an item than he might have otherwise.

Edited because I kin spel but I can'nt tyep

[Moose]

if he's shill bidding, someone needs to make a fake accound and bid $5000 or something then back out.

Oh, leave negative feedback before the account gets cancelled, too.

[wgarces]

Shill bidding is the practice of getting an ally (or even yourself under another identity) to bid up the price in the hope that the winner will wind up paying significantly more for an item than he might have otherwise.

Thank you TT.

[Bob P]

"Shill bidding is the practice of getting an ally (or even yourself under another identity) to bid up the price in the hope that the winner will wind up paying significantly more for an item than he might have otherwise"

Sometimes its worth shill bidding under your true identity just to prove a point...

Suddenly the reserve has been met.

What an asshole.