MCChris Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 2 hours ago, hanspanzer said: Your loss Not really. You can't play them all, and life's too short to settle for a Gibson knockoff. And I'll pre-emptively reply to your inevitable comment by saying that if you find a Gibson with QC issues, move along until you find one that doesn't have them. There isn't a single player of an Epiphone Gibson clone (not talking Casinos or Coronets here) that wouldn't rather have the Gibson version (if they're being honest, of course). Can't afford one? Save up until you can or pay some credit card interest for a few months.
Steve Haynie Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, MCChris said: Not really. You can't play them all, and life's too short to settle for a Gibson knockoff. And I'll pre-emptively reply to your inevitable comment by saying that if you find a Gibson with GC issues, move along until you find one that doesn't have them. There isn't a single player of an Epiphone Gibson clone (not talking Casinos or Coronets here) that wouldn't rather have the Gibson version (if they're being honest, of course). Can't afford one? Save up until you do or pay some credit card interest for a few months. There are some of the Japanese Epiphones from the early 1970's I would like to try out again. Some of the modern imports can be good, too. You can tell the difference between an Epiphone Les Paul and a Gibson Les Paul with your eyes closed. Chris is right about players going with Gibson if they can have their choice. But... While Richie Faulkner plays Epiphone V's, even a signature model, he did not abandon his Gibson V. I could not get a good look this year, but I think it was a Gibson Les Paul he pulled out at the end of the show. One would think an Epiphone endorser would only play Epiphones, but he had a mix of both brands. Dave Rule of Tesla has his deal with Epiphone. Frank Hannon was playing an Epiphone doubleneck SG and Gibson Les Pauls. Maybe he could not justify the price of a Gibson over an Epiphone for one song. L.A. Guns had Epiphone Les Pauls on stage a couple of weeks ago. Tracii Guns has had enough Gibson gear over the years. Tommy Thayer has gone the Epiphone endorsement route, but he plays Gibson guitars on stage with KISS this year.
MCChris Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, Steve Haynie said: While Richie Faulkner plays Epiphone V's, even a signature model, he did not abandon his Gibson V. I could not get a good look this year, but I think it was a Gibson Les Paul he pulled out at the end of the show. One would think an Epiphone endorser would only play Epiphones, but he had a mix of both brands. Dave Rule of Tesla has his deal with Epiphone. Frank Hannon was playing an Epiphone doubleneck SG and Gibson Les Pauls. Maybe he could not justify the price of a Gibson over an Epiphone for one song. L.A. Guns had Epiphone Les Pauls on stage a couple of weeks ago. Tracii Guns has had enough Gibson gear over the years. Tommy Thayer has gone the Epiphone endorsement route, but he plays Gibson guitars on stage with KISS this year. If someone is paying you to use a certain brand, that's obviously a different story. Affixing the Epiphone logo to a dead-nuts copy of a Gibson model is an insult to the legacy of both brands. But cheap/broke muhfuggahs would rather have multiple pieces of something substandard than one piece of the real deal, so it's a viable business model. As always, market economics dictate everything.
tbonesullivan Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Eli said: I'd actually love to have that doubleneck. I've got a few Carvins, they're all well made and engineered. I think they're probably doing their best work now, as Kiesel. As much as I love the staid elegance of the 50's, I love the preposterous excess of the 80's. And, who here doesn't love a quintuple neck? I like how they are really committed to quality now, but their design and naming conventions are just off. They just brought out a 24 Fret Strat type guitar called the "Delos", and keep naming their pickups after "cool sounding" elements. Many people still prefer their older 22 pole piece pickups. I also just cannot wrap my head around the huge bevels on the sides of the guitars. They had their own thing, but their "new direction" just bores me. It's nothing that hasn't been done before, and they aren't nearly as "metal" as old school BC Rich guitars.
MCChris Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, tbonesullivan said: Many people still prefer their older 22 pole piece pickups. Literally the first time I've ever heard/read that claim. Certainly neither of the Matthi fit that description.
Biz Prof Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, MCChris said: Literally the first time I've ever heard/read that claim. Certainly neither of the Matthi fit that description. I really like the old-school AP11 single coils for a glassy Strat tone. Carvin got those right the first time and seemed to realize they'd hit the proverbial bullseye. As for the 22-series humbuckers: I've tried three different versions and while none of the three sounded horrible, none of them sounded really good, either.
Eli Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 2 hours ago, tbonesullivan said: I like how they are really committed to quality now, but their design and naming conventions are just off. They just brought out a 24 Fret Strat type guitar called the "Delos", and keep naming their pickups after "cool sounding" elements. Many people still prefer their older 22 pole piece pickups. I also just cannot wrap my head around the huge bevels on the sides of the guitars. They had their own thing, but their "new direction" just bores me. It's nothing that hasn't been done before, and they aren't nearly as "metal" as old school BC Rich guitars. Very little is as metal as old school BC Rich guitars, they certainly hit the sweet spot there. I see your points, but I wonder if the business is doing better now or not. I'm sure they felt like they were stagnating and had to do something. Boy this thread got seriously hijacked! How is That Dantzig doing?
MCChris Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, Eli said: Boy this thread got seriously hijacked! Not really. It all falls under the heading of "aesthetically challenged." The subset of "absolute crap" may also apply.
tbonesullivan Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 Yeah, seriously hijacked. I mean, I do like the looks of the Dantzig, but I always see that lightning bar bridge and want to run away. Am I the only one afraid not having the ability to adjust my intonation?
MCChris Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, tbonesullivan said: Am I the only one afraid not having the ability to adjust my intonation? Yes you are, and you do have that ability. You can move the tailpiece forward and back at the mounting studs, so you intonate the A and B strings and assume the rest are "close enough for rock and roll" if not spot-on intonated. That should be fine considering that the second you lean into a note in the upper registers you'll push it sharp anyway. Contrary to HFC parlance, intonation is not for pussies. Perfect intonation, however, is.
Moose Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 57 minutes ago, MCChris said: Not really. It all falls under the heading of "aesthetically challenged." The subset of "absolute crap" may also apply. If that was so worthy of discussion, I would have been famous long ago.
hanspanzer Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 On 5/21/2019 at 3:39 PM, MCChris said: Not really. You can't play them all, and life's too short to settle for a Gibson knockoff. And I'll pre-emptively reply to your inevitable comment by saying that if you find a Gibson with QC issues, move along until you find one that doesn't have them. There isn't a single player of an Epiphone Gibson clone (not talking Casinos or Coronets here) that wouldn't rather have the Gibson version (if they're being honest, of course). Can't afford one? Save up until you can or pay some credit card interest for a few months. Sorry for hijacking this thread but there`s a lot of preconceptions here.. 1: Yup, life is short. Settle on good guitars. This Epi (Terada or Fujigen made, pre Orville) is in that category. 2: The other guitar in that picture is a Gibson 1995 ES.335 that after owning several 335`s, both Nashville and Memphis, was the one. No QS issues whatsoever 3: I can afford what ever I want. These two (yup, the Epi as well) is in my live and studio arsenal together with a US made Guild Starfire SF5, Kauer Banshee, Shishkov Ultimate etc. I don`t give a f'**k. A good guitar is a good guitar whatever the cost.
kizanski Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 On 5/14/2019 at 3:02 PM, cynic said: Freaking bullshit! I watched the whole clip and he never did the "Hot Pockets" bit! Down vote!
Eli Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/88d0f129-a01e-48e6-93df-9ad0c2618c89/gif#rkZl22z5HAV.copy
MCChris Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, hanspanzer said: Settle on good guitars. This Epi (Terada or Fujigen made, pre Orville) is in that category. I can afford what ever I want. These two (yup, the Epi as well) is in my live and studio arsenal
crunchee Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 You don't see many Carvin guitars with a inline 12 headstock...and I haven't seen any yet that were broken. I think it's because of just the thought of having to maneuver a guitar with a headstock that long keeps them in their cases..
cynic Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 2 hours ago, kizanski said: Freaking bullshit! I watched the whole clip and he never did the "Hot Pockets" bit! Down vote! Damn it! Gaffed again!
cynic Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 9 hours ago, hanspanzer said: I don`t give a f'**k. A good guitar is a good guitar whatever the cost. I do agree with this, but get both sides. I own a GCS LPC but also just put a set of Gravelin Charlottes in a MIJ Epi LPC and it’s a blast to play. If I didn’t have the Gibson I can see where the Epi would maybe fee like a place holder, but there’s also some fun in finding inexpensive guitars that punch above their weight.
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