MCChris Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 In the Def Leppard thread, LOTT commented that the band "ceased to exist after Pete Willis was terminated." Maybe an overstatement, but there's some truth to it for sure.Who are some other guys like this? A few who come to mind for me:Steven Adler, Guns 'n RosesMike Starr, Alice In ChainsJohn Rutsey, Rush (just kidding with that one, or am I? LOL)More? I'm forgetting a few; this is a topic I've contemplated often.
jwhitcomb3 Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 XTC after Dave Gregory left.And while I'm in that part of the alphabet, the X albums without Billy Zoom just ain't the same.Oh, and how about Pink Floyd after Syd left?-Jonathan
kizanski Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Many would argue this point, but I think DLR is the obvious answer.
MCChris Posted April 30, 2008 Author Posted April 30, 2008 SKID ROW.Many would argue this point, but I think DLR is the obvious answer.Established frontmen are not what I would call "bit" players.
kizanski Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Many would argue this point, but I think DLR is the obvious answer.Established frontmen are not what I would call "bit" players.Me either. Probably not the best example, but the VH brothers certainly treated their frontmen as bit players. As if "anyone could do it."
atquinn Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 XTC after Dave Gregory left.He might not have been one of the composers, but he was hardly a bit player.-Austin
BlueRedWhite Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Queensryche, after De Garmo left Queen, without the unique MERCURY
Guest pirateflynn Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Mick Taylor and Nicky Hopkins - The Rolling StonesJeff Beck - The YardbirdsJeff Lynne - The Move
MCChris Posted April 30, 2008 Author Posted April 30, 2008 Queen, without the unique MERCURY LOL! And down this road we go. Freddie Mercury, Bit Player. Now I've heard everything.
BlueRedWhite Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Well, sorry Mc, didn't pay attention to the 'Bit" part of the question, and i WTF is it actually?My point was bands that lost big members
MCChris Posted April 30, 2008 Author Posted April 30, 2008 Well, sorry Mc, didn't pay the 'Bit" part of the question, and i WTF is it actually?Look at the guys I cited. Adler and Starr weren't the iconic members of either band they were in, but GnR lost that loose swagger when Matt "The Human Excessively Starched Shirt" Sorum took over on drums, and nothing AIC released after the first two albums rocked nearly as hard. The missing ingredient? Mike Starr.
Willie G. Moseley Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Is the term "bit" being used in the right context? My perception is that while a lot of the names cited here aren't widely-known (nor some of the bands, for that matter), except to players, such individuals may not have been "keystone" band members, but they weren't easily-replaced, either. There were simply, for those bands that they left, "team members" whose departure altered the band (for better or worse). If that's the way "bit" should be interpreted, at first flash I'd go with:Mott the Hoople post-Mick RalphsELO post-Jeff LynneWishbone Ash post-Ted Turner (first time, but no offense to Laurie Wisefield, who's a fine player in his own right; it's just that the songwriting and memorable riffs seemed to thin out)Fleetwood Mac post-Peter Green (although they shifted musical directions...more than once)Hawkwind post-LemmyPat Metheny Group post-Mark EganThe Who post-Keith Moon
MCChris Posted April 30, 2008 Author Posted April 30, 2008 The Who post-Keith MoonYou were almost there, Willie.
kizanski Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 The Who post-Keith MoonYou were almost there, Willie.The Jimi Hendrix Experience, post Jimi Hendrix.I think they lost a lot after he died.
Turdus Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Coney Hatch, after their original drummer left. Their sound became too big and polished.Perhaps UFO after Paul Raymond left. Schenker was already gone. I think the magic was really lost after Raymond left.
Brooks Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 nothing AIC released after the first two albums rocked nearly as hard. The missing ingredient? Mike Starr.i thought mike inez was on dirt(?).anyhow, thats easily their best.i'll add bob daisley on the 1st 2 ozzy albums;he was treated like a bit player, but actually wrote a bunch of uncredited lyrics,and came up w/ great basslines.
Thundernotes Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Boston without Barry Goudreau - every album was progressively worse.
Turdus Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Night Ranger, post "Fitz".I believe "Fitz" played in the last version of Montrose before they sunk. There's a nickel's worth of trivia for ya.
cmatthes Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 The Who post-Keith MoonYou were almost there, Willie. The Jimi Hendrix Experience, post Jimi Hendrix. I think they lost a lot after he died. :D
Feynman Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 The Jimi Hendrix Experience, post Jimi Hendrix.I think they lost a lot after he died.I laughed out loud. I was trying to come up with something funny, but that one killed my idea. No sense trying now.
princeofdarkness56 Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 LOL all you want about John Rutsley but that first Rush album he was on was heavy rock. After that it was trees in the forrest and tom sawyer. Give me the working man anyday.
HamerHokie Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Queen, without the unique MERCURY LOL! And down this road we go. Freddie Mercury, Bit Player. Now I've heard everything. Man, you hate it when people break the rules!
kizanski Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Queen, without the unique MERCURY LOL!And down this road we go. Freddie Mercury, Bit Player. Now I've heard everything. Man, you hate it when people break the rules! ...and that reminds of when that bit player, John Bonham, died...Percy-itusLemonsqueezosis!
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