Vintage Journey

[Guest pirateflynn]

I saw Hall and Oats sing " Don't Let Me Down" for some televised John Lennon Tribute concert. It was the best performance of the show. Great!

[Willie G. Moseley]

A bit of what goes around comes around: The Babys' Ricky Phillips, who joined when John Waite opted to concentrate on vocals, now plays bass for STYX.

And I've forgotten who played bass for Waite on his "No Brakes" concert video (Earl Slick played guitar, as I recall. I saw the show on MTV's old Saturday night concert series). The reason I'm curious is the extended instrumental intro to "Missing You", which concentrates on keyboards, has a glorious bass riff (done with a pick) just before the song kicks in. Anyboyd remember who the bass player was?

[elduave]

Anyboyd remember who the bass player was?

Carmine Rojas I believe...

[atquinn]

Holy Crap!! I know next to nothing about Journey (although I like pretty much all their radio singles). Anyway, I always assumed that the non-Perry vocals were Neil Schon! I have a solo album of his where he does some singing (Late Nite) and it sounds pretty much like Greg Rollie (same nasally vocal quality, but less power).

-Austin

[MTM105]

Journey was one of those interchangeable late 70's/early 80's bland arena rock bands that I had to wait for the DJ to tell me who it was to tell 'em apart: Foreigner, Toto, Loverboy, Journey, REO Speedwagon, Styx...ZZZzzzzz.

Didn't like 'em then, don't miss 'em now.

This thread has a lot of longetivity.....

My impression of Journey is Steve Perry with a rather sizable appartus inserted beneath his tight blue jeans...aka Spinal Tap airport screening scene.

I don't see the talent. They were the right band at the right time and was very fortunate. I associate them with the simultaneous growth and overly zealous production of MTV.

[ZR]

BUT, arguably, their best music was before MTV was around! They got wimpier as the years passed just like many from that time but it's hard to question their musicianship if one really gives them a listen. My faves are Infinity, Evolution and Depature.

[polara]

And to think we were the one who swore we wouldn't become our parents.

"The music they made in my day was real music. That rock 'n' roll is just crap."

"The music they made in my day was real music. That heavy metal is just crap."

"The music they made in my day was real music. That rap stuff is just crap."

"The music they made in my day was real music. That (insert next thing the kids understand here) is just crap."

[frank_c]

Holy Crap!! I always assumed that the non-Perry vocals were Neil Schon! I have a solo album of his where he does some singing (Late Nite) and it sounds pretty much like Greg Rollie (same nasally vocal quality, but less power).

i didn't think much of that record. i liked the Schon and Hammer disc. have it on vinyl.

[edgar_allan_poe]

I don't see the talent.

Then you must be blind...LOL!!

Seriously, Journey isn't for everyone, but their talent is undeniable. Schon can play his ass off, and Perry has amazing range. Their style might not suit you, but if you can't see the talent there...well...I have no idea what you are looking at.

I personally do not like Geoff Tate from QR. He has a nasally tone that is unpleasant to my ears after a couple of songs. However, there is no mistaking his talent. His range is amazing, and the dude has power to spare.

[kizanski]

Saw them in '78. Perry was impressive, but it was Neal Schon that blew me away.

He just plain ol' ripped!

Very impressive indeed, untill The Nuge took the stage!

[atquinn]

Holy Crap!! I always assumed that the non-Perry vocals were Neil Schon! I have a solo album of his where he does some singing (Late Nite) and it sounds pretty much like Greg Rollie (same nasally vocal quality, but less power).

i didn't think much of that record. i liked the Schon and Hammer disc. have it on vinyl.

I like the instrumental stuff on Late Nite quite a bit although the vocal stuff is certainly lacking. I'll have to check out the Hammer Schon stuff.

-Austin

[ZR]

I, for one anyway, wasn't saying anything about that old music I listened to when I was young is the only good stuff. I like older stuff and I like stuff out now too. I just think that some bands may not be liked but can still be respected for their talent. Just for instance (and not a direct comparison) I don't listen to a lot of Hendrix but I can appreciate his talent. The albums I mentioned earlier had the singing of Perry (and Rolie), druming by Ansley Dunbar (not sure when Steve Smith came in), Ross Valory did a good job on bass and Neil Schon being very melodic and also melting faces! I listen to my daughters cd's and they listen to mine.

[Bruiser Brody]

Polara NAILED IT!!!!! Perfect!! And he's right on the money too. Be thankful yer still stickin' around to be of older age and praise bands like Jerny, Metallicalishious, Dokkkkkkken, Cheap Trix and the NY Dolls etc etc.....it's a good thing!! WE'RE ALIVE!!!!!!!!! FEEL IT!!!!!!!!....accept it. ACCEPT!!!!!!! BALLS TO THE WA...uh..fukk that.

Perfect timing to say Happy Memorial Day to yer youth....gone wild.

[Sentinel]

'scuse my ignorance, but does Schon play any Hamers?

(I liked him a lot when he played in Santana. Haven't listened to Journey that much...)

[elduave]

I don't see the talent.

Then you must be blind...LOL!!

Seriously, Journey isn't for everyone, but their talent is undeniable. Schon can play his ass off, and Perry has amazing range. Their style might not suit you, but if you can't see the talent there...well...I have no idea what you are looking at.

+ a gajillion.

[holLoWskull]

I had the good fortune of seeing Journey last summer on their 'Generations' tour. It was hands down the best concert I'd been to in a few years...and I'm not even a huge Journey fan! They played the entire night basically opening for themselves. Almost the whole first set was all the "older" pre-Steve Perry stuff that some of you guys claim to like. AMAZING playing and Neal Schon did indeed play like a virtuoso. The whole band was "on" that night doing some really progressive fusion jazz/rock/metal stuff that I had never heard before but quickly warmed up to. They took a short break and came on for their "headliner" set...2 hours + of their biggest hits and some new songs off the Generations CD. Not only was I impressed with the job Steve Augeri did singing but the dude actually can play guitar pretty decently too! The real suprise for me was that all night I was hearing the high background harmonies being nailed perfectly and wondering damn, who's singing that? I didn't remember Journey nailing the high harmony parts as well years ago, but now they somehow where? Then, they let the drummer (Deen Castronovo...must have been the whole Bad English connection) sing lead vocal on Keep On Runnin' and Still They Ride off the Escape album. I now knew who was singing those parts and DAMN, this guy can sing the Steve Perry lead vocals too!! Deen sounded just as good as Augeri doing his Steve Perry imitation, and he was sitting down behind a drum kit never missing a beat or a fill! Amazing show, great weather, plenty of good looking women (oddly enough, most were in their 20's...bonus!) Best $15 I've spent (yes, that's right, only $15...it was a venue with lawn seats as well as an ampitheater) and you even got a copy of the Journey Generations CD with your ticket purchase, compliments of Journey....SWEET!!! Highly recommended to see in concert if you get a chance!

[mc2]

John Waite just played on my corner last week at a small local place that's been geting some cool acts. The main guy from The Smithereens was also there recently.

As far as the original Journey...I was a FM radio DJ in Rochester, NY when they first came out and we did a lot of live broadcasts..either live from our downstairs studios or remotes from local bars or colleges. We had Journey downstairs in our "studio" (a converted 2 car garage.) They did a full set on the air with about 30 listeners crammed in as the audience. I remember they were the friggin' LOUDEST band we ever had in...Both Schoen and the bassist used full double Marshall stakcs and wouldn't turn them down...our engineer was cursing them out. Sounded great though and you couldn't get a much more intimate setting.

Met Neil Schoen a number of times in the 90s when my guitarist and he did Crate clinics and Dean Markley appearances at NAMM & Frankfurt shows. He was often too drunk and locked himself in hotel rooms and was a no-show. Glad he cleaned himself up. Best Shoen story is when he was in Germany and just took delivery of some really expensive Les Paul copy from the builder and my guitarist was standing there and he said "here, check it out"....and she must've sprayed half a can of Fingerease on the neck before ripping into it. I still remember the mortified look on Neil's face when she handed it back...hahahahaha

[jettster]

I don't see the talent.

Then you must be blind...LOL!!

Seriously, Journey isn't for everyone, but their talent is undeniable. Schon can play his ass off, and Perry has amazing range. Their style might not suit you, but if you can't see the talent there...well...I have no idea what you are looking at.

+ a gajillion.

Absolutely!!!!!!! And you didn’t even mention Steve Smith, who by the way came on board during the Evolution album. (2nd Perry Album).

Steve Smith is Neil Peart bad ass, at the very least, if not better. If you have any doubts check out a CD called Vitalive http://www.guitar9.com/vitalive.html

I can understand that someone may not like any of thier music but, several of these guys are total pro musicians by anyones standards.

[BCR Greg]

Steve Perry now.

[pasqual12]

interesting perspective from Herbie:

http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/Interv...ieherbert06.htm

[LordOfTheThighs]

Why in the name of God , would somebody post

a video of themselves butchering a song, the way that

schmuck did? AHAHAHAHAHA!

I couldn't make through the 30 seconds without nearly

jamming a screwdriver in each ear. I mean didn't the guy

listen to it before he posted it?

He gives "The Rawker" a run for his money.

I took this picture of the neighbors dog while I played that

video. He didn't like it either

[ZR]

Thanks for posting that! Good read.

[BCR Greg]

CRR: When did the relationship between you and Perry start to become strained?

Herbie: From the very first moment.  Instantly with a person like that -- he is a real consummate piece of excrement. I haven’t seen the guy in years but he’s just a bad person. I wouldn’t piss down his throat if his heart were on fire.

Kinda wishy washy, huh?

[edgar_allan_poe]

Everybody wants all the original players.  There was this one little snafu.  Steve Perry couldn’t sing. I said “Do you remember when Bill Graham died and the band came back together and performed in Golden Gate Park?” Jon and Neal were there and when Perry showed up he said “Herbie, what songs are we going to play?” I said, “I don’t know, maybe ‘Lights’ or ‘Don’t Stop Believin.’” I rattled off three or four choices and he says, “You get the lyrics together because I certainly don’t remember the words.  You write them down and tell Jon and Neal to take them down two steps.”

Taking a song down two whole steps is a monumental thing.  It really demonstrated how good Jon and Neal are as musicians, that they were able to pull it off without any practice or rehearsal. With over half a million people in the park, surely people tape-recorded that performance and you can hear that it’s two whole steps down. Even then Perry could not hold his pitch and sing in tune; his voice was really rough. If he could, he would be Journey.  He went out and did that solo tour to do Journey but he couldn’t. He kept postponing shows and ultimately he had to cancel the thing.  He doesn’t have the health and he can’t sing anymore.  He lost his talent.  Think Karma. 

Yup...I know when I saw him his band was tuned down a whole step, and he still wasn't even close.

[sw686blue]

Brutal.