DaveH Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 38 minutes ago, cynic said: Said from someone on the outside looking in. It's not a selfish decision at all, it comes only from a state of pure hopelessness. HUGE difference. Hopelessness, yes, which is what makes it so sad. He had everything anyone could hope to have, except contentment. But it's also selfish. Whether or not that was the intent is irrelevant... When you set out to do something that will affect your loved ones (and others) in a negative way, and do it anyway, it's an act of selfishness whether you planned it that way or not. Same act, different perspective. What all of us are dealing with regarding this is tough, at least where I'm standing, but what his wife, kid, family, and bandmates will have to deal with probably from now on, is compounded horrifically. Such a waste.
BTMN Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 Terrible sad news indeed. I was never a big Soundgarden fan but I really dig the Audioslave stuff and wish I had seen the solo tour a few years back when it hit Tampa Bay. I am really sad to read of his death method but am glad it was notan OD and he has been sober for a while now. That I can admire for sure. Rest well Chris, I hope you are free of the inner demons that have been in your head bringing your down.
Brooks Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 Soundgarden is one of my top 10 bands, def my fave from the Seattle scene, maybe the entire 1990s (if they had subbed Kim out for Cantrell or even Dime they would have made my top 5). IMFO, Chris Cornell was the most talented popular rock musician of our generation. Besides his soaring 4 octave vocal range, he was a very inventive guitarist and a prolific songwriter. On FB this morning I posted a live clip of Rusty Cage; the main riff is tricky enough (we struggled with it in my band, actually had to postpone playing it at our last gig because we spent 20-30 minutes trying to get it right and ran out of rehearsal time), but he also sings effortlessly across the top of it in a different rhythmic feel while playing that tricky riff AND looking cool as shit (very fuckin difficult). I downloaded "Songbook" this morning (his all live acoustic solo album), it really drives home how soulful a singer & songwriter he was. Listening to Songbook & looking at the internet this morning I shed a tear, unusual for me as I see real tragedy up close in my job almost every week. RE suicide; its a horrible manifestation of mental illness, its not a normal decision made by someone having a bad day, month or even year. It's nearly impossible for a healthy mind to go through with. We are hard wired to survive, and the will to live is very strong.
Biz Prof Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Brooks said: RE suicide; its a horrible manifestation of mental illness, its not a normal decision made by someone having a bad day, month or even year. It's nearly impossible for a healthy mind to go through with. We are hard wired to survive, and the will to live is very strong. Verily. One of my best friends and closest colleagues is a psychology prof. who spent her formative years at a specialized boarding school near LA counseling teenage girls who all had addiction issues and/or suffered from chronic/severe depression. She distills it rather neatly: "Suicide is coping mechanism; a response employed when a person feels that they can not sustain the status quo and surmises that no other methods are available."
Disturber Posted May 19, 2017 Author Posted May 19, 2017 9 hours ago, DaveH said: Suicide is one of the most selfish acts a person can commit. Also one of the most tragic. It's like a state of temporarily mental illness. Chemicals in the brain. A person is not thinking rationally when they see that the only solution is to end it. Depression can go so deep within. It is way beyond rational thinking. Men die by suicide 3.5x more often than women. The saddest part is that if he had endured the night, there is a very big chance that he would have felt ashamed of himself yesterday, called his kids up in the morning filled with guilt, telling them he loved them so much. And he would have moved on.
MCChris Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 http://variety.com/2017/music/news/chris-cornells-family-prescription-drugs-may-have-influenced-suicide-1202436611/ Possibility that it wasn't simply mental illness but that prescription pills had a role.
polara Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 There's no real bright side, but maybe a little reminder to take it seriously when someone you know seems suicidal. It's not selfish to them: it is the best escape they can think of. People sympathize if your kidney goes out or you lose your vision or or have another clearly physical ailment, but when it's a problem with how your brain works? We say to too often say, get over it.
Studio Custom Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, MCChris said: http://variety.com/2017/music/news/chris-cornells-family-prescription-drugs-may-have-influenced-suicide-1202436611/ Possibility that it wasn't simply mental illness but that prescription pills had a role. His life insurance probably has a suicide clause and the family is trying to blame the meds.
MCChris Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, Studio Custom said: His life insurance probably has a suicide clause and the family is trying to blame the meds. Then they should also be investigating the possibility of autoerotic asphyxiation, in which case the death could be ruled accidental.
Studio Custom Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, MCChris said: Then they should also be investigating the possibility of autoerotic asphyxiation, in which case the death could be ruled accidental. He accidentally tied a band around his neck?
MCChris Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Studio Custom said: He accidentally tied a band around his neck? No, his intent was to experience a more powerful orgasm, not to kill himself. Thus, the death was an accident. Kind of like parachuting. Your intent is to get a rush, not kill yourself.
Studio Custom Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, MCChris said: No, his intent was to experience a more powerful orgasm, not to kill himself. Thus, the death was an accident. Kind of like parachuting. Your intent is to get a rush, not kill yourself. Check him for jizz!
MCChris Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Studio Custom said: Check him for jizz! Turns out that's exactly what they do (read the Accidental Death portion): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxiation
cynic Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 20 minutes ago, polara said: There's no real bright side, but maybe a little reminder to take it seriously when someone you know seems suicidal. It's not selfish to them: it is the best escape they can think of. People sympathize if your kidney goes out or you lose your vision or or have another clearly physical ailment, but when it's a problem with how your brain works? We say to too often say, get over it. This. It's tough for those of us that haven't experienced it to get how lonely it must feel to 'know' that everyone you hold dear will be better without you. In their minds, it's probably the most selfless thing they can do.
JimiH Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 RIP. Saw sound garden many moons ok supporting guns and roses in the old main road stadium in Manchester U.K. . Loved the audioslave stuff too 😒 This guys always been on my radar, such a shame
kizanski Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 Rule of thumb: If you hang yourself with your dick out, it's an accident. No one wants to be found like that.
MCChris Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, kizanski said: Rule of thumb: If you hang yourself with your dick out, it's an accident. No one wants to be found like that. Especially if it's the size of a thumb. And smells like a foot.
Studio Custom Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, MCChris said: Especially if it's the size of a thumb. And smells like a foot. It's ok, it's what make you special.
Studio Custom Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, kizanski said: Rule of thumb: If you hang yourself with your dick out, it's an accident. No one wants to be found like that. I don't know, I could see Tesco Vee doing it as one last FU!
Disturber Posted May 19, 2017 Author Posted May 19, 2017 4 hours ago, MCChris said: Then they should also be investigating the possibility of autoerotic asphyxiation, in which case the death could be ruled accidental. Michael Hutchence 1996. Not fun at all. He was, in my book, just a great a singer/frontman/songwriter as Cornell.
kizanski Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Disturber said: Michael Hutchence 1996. Not fun at all. He must have been having a little fun.
Disturber Posted May 19, 2017 Author Posted May 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, kizanski said: He must have been having a little fun. He might, for a minute or two. I think he was in a bad shape as Bob Geldoff was after him and Paula. Big mess. Bob had a lot to do with it. He drove Paula to death as well. What about that Kevin Gilbert fella´, that was dating Sheryl Crow. Didn't they find him with like an orange in his mouth, whips, leather, chains and stuff. Penis out. He also died of autoerotic asphyxiation.
LucSulla Posted May 20, 2017 Posted May 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Disturber said: He might, for a minute or two. I think he was in a bad shape as Bob Geldoff was after him and Paula. Big mess. Bob had a lot to do with it. He drove Paula to death as well. What about that Kevin Gilbert fella´, that was dating Sheryl Crow. Didn't they find him with like an orange in his mouth, whips, leather, chains and stuff. Penis out. He also died of autoerotic asphyxiation. Yes, they did, but that was after Sheryl Crow. By a lot of accounts, she fucked her way into that batch of songs on Tuesday Night Music Club, which was actually a real writers group of which Gilbert was a prominent member and Crow was a bit of a tag-along, and once she took off, pretty much stabbed them all in the back. The whole episode led Gilbert into a downward spiral that bottomed out when he was found like that according to some who knew Gilbert. I read somewhere that the authorities have specifically said it was not autoerotic asphyxia.
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