Jimbilly Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 Or so I heard on the classic rock station today. 4/1 seems like kind of an odd day to break the news to all the VH fans in '85.
eightyfour Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 A very sad day in rock history. I was 15, a complete Van Halen psycho-fan, and an angry little burn-out with a chip on my shoulder. Luckily I was a Sammy fan as well and managed quite easliy to go on enjoying the next 15 years of music also. I love all those guys, they're like family to me after all these years. I am to Van Halen, what BCR Greg is to The New Zoo Revue!
phoenix Posted April 1, 2005 Posted April 1, 2005 OMG! Where's our point system so I can give you credit for that ancient footnote!
Hamer95USA Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 Hey Van Halen fans, Being a big Van Halen fan (Wailin' Halen days), David Lee Roth departing from Van Halen was a shocker for me. I've seen them about three times with David Lee Roth and he's a great frontman, entertainer and an ok vocalist. It's too bad his ego, attitude and demeanor seperated him from Van Halen. I dug Eat 'Em and Smile and Skyscraper CDs, but everything after that was downhill for DLR. I understand now that he's somewhere in New York, learning to be a CMT, riding in an ambulance, trying to save lives. Maybe his humility finally sank in? I think all the hardcore Van Halen fans are waiting for him to put aside his differences with the Van Halen brothers and Michael Anthony. If it did happen, it would be rock & roll's greatest reunion. But as long DLR continues his ways, it will never happen. BTW, I think Sammy Hagar is a killer vocalist, songwriter and player. I happen to like the DLR era Van Halen, that's all. Guitar George
kurtsstuff Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 Van Hagar sucked.....even Eddy's guitar tone was wimpy and castrated as were the songs....just my $0.02 worth...
Kurt L Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 I'm another Kurt that thinks Eddie's tone went downhill in the Hagar Era. For me, it started on 1984.
wyldbil Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 I'm with the two Kurts. VanHalen became too safe and homogenized during the Sammy Years. For me, it's Dave or nothing.To address what Hamer95 said, they had two aborted attempts at recording with Dave in what was supposed to end up in a full-blown reunion. This came as a result of HEAVY record company pressure in '99-'00. Because of this, in fact, VH is technically no longer signed to WB. The whole thing went down the tubes because Ed and Dave's heads could not fit in the same room if you know what I mean. I tend to blame Ed, because Dave was apparently rearin' to GO and Ed doesn't seem to like being upstaged by a vocalist. Too bad. I think he should swallow his pride a bit and let Dave bloom, but it will never happen now. *sigh* Where HAVE all the good times gone?
marcnorth Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 It's not DLR thats keeping VH from a reunion. You know who has the final say in the matter.
md2020 Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 And even when Ed's lips are moving, it's Alex that's doing the talking.
Stike Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 A very sad day in rock history. I was 15, a complete Van Halen psycho-fan, and an angry little burn-out with a chip on my shoulder. Luckily I was a Sammy fan as well and managed quite easliy to go on enjoying the next 15 years of music also. I love all those guys, they're like family to me after all these years. I am to Van Halen, what BCR Greg is to The New Zoo Revue! Emmy Jo was HOT!
Jeff R Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 I can live with the Hagar era stuff, but VH lost their true swagger when DLR went out of the picture IMHO.
Guest Buck Dharma Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 The eighties are over get over it! Eddie was great when he was a new thing very talented. DLR was annoying and after the first album tour I never liked them live with Dave's gay little leather pants with the butt cheaks hangin out and his iced tea filled JD bottle.
kurtsstuff Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 To add on to my post...To me Sammy sounds better doing "his" thing and Eddy sounds better doing "his" thing..but with the 2 together...it just never tripped my trigger...Man...I remember senior year in high school art class somebody put on the first V.H album (yes...vinyl..lol) and I heard "you really got me" playin and was thinking..Damn! Nice redo on an old song..Way better than the original (from a heavy sounding guitar viewpoint) And it was there and then that I knew what I wanted to do when I grew up....lol! well....years have passed and I never grew up and it's still what I wanna do...lol!
Turdus Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 I did not care for the Sammy era VH, but he was the right choice to replace DLR. VH borrowed a little from the first Montose record "for suuuuuure"Sammy has staying power, but I am also of the opinion that his heyday was that first Montrose record, circa '73. I do not think he has topped it since.
Cary Posted April 2, 2005 Posted April 2, 2005 That was the day "Van Halen" ceased to exist, IMO. Van Hagar had some good songs, but it was never the same. Too polished, plus there was something pathetic about the fact that 10 years later they were STILL trying to convince everyone (maybe themselves, mostly) of how much better it was with Sammy.Some of you might disagree, but Van Halen with Dave was one of the GREATEST rock and roll bands of all time, and there will never be anything like them. Strong words, maybe, but I loved that band...
Hunter_Brown Posted April 3, 2005 Posted April 3, 2005 his iced tea filled JD bottle. I can't speak to Dave, but I can in fact safely testify that to this day, evan at a good ripe age Mike doesn't water anything down on stage.
Brownsound Posted April 3, 2005 Posted April 3, 2005 Im with all of you. After DLR they just sort of lost the edge. I never connected with Van Hagar...even though I think Sammy was a better vocalist than DLR it just didnt match the sound.
David B Posted April 3, 2005 Posted April 3, 2005 Dave was a great singer in my opinion. He could do things no one else could do with his voice. I like Sammy too though. The songs on the first 5 albums are just better rock songs.
Disturber Posted April 3, 2005 Posted April 3, 2005 Van Halen with Dave was one of the best bands ever in rock history.It was vaudeville, it was crazy, and yes it had a bit of that "dangerous"gay flavour in Dave's crazy outfits. Nothing new, Bowie (and Eltonand many more had done it before). Sometimes it was hard rock,but just as often it was pop/rock with a harder twist. It was justplain crazines genius. A band like that does not come aroundtoo often.Van Halen with Sammy was just your average run of the mill mid/late 80'srock act. Dead boring overpretentious and blown up, (too bad they themselves did not know it was just plain ordinary popwith a little heavy metal guitar in there. Made want to go to sleep, zzzzZZzzzzZZ).They had the meanest manager out there though. A mad little midget.He made them mega big, not Sammy.
killcrop Posted April 3, 2005 Posted April 3, 2005 What brought VH down IMO was the keyboards and Ed losing his mind. Sammy singing on the first 4 albums may very well have been just as cool. But you add keyboards, a Rockman Sterio Chorus tone and a bunch of sappy love songs and you get Van Hagar.
Brooks Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 What brought VH down IMO was the keyboards and Ed losing his mind. Sammy singing on the first 4 albums may very well have been just as cool. But you add keyboards, a Rockman Sterio Chorus tone and a bunch of sappy love songs and you get Van Hagar. yep. i remember dave leaving, i thought sammy would be an improvement(as i'd seen dave w/ his drunken "i forgot the fookin' words!!" live act a few times).it wasn't sammy that made VH suck, it was the newer pop-ish tunes. and ed's chorused puss-tone, ugghhhh.
HamerHokie Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 Rock star egos never heal. Being a rock musician from the time you are a teenager doesn't lend itself to developing 'get along with others' and 'forgiveness' skills.See Roth/Van Halen, Waters/Pink Floyd, Sting/Police, etc. You would think that, for the good of the fans and the legacy of the bands, these folks would be able to put aside their differences and act like adults. Hoo ha.I guess the only big exception I can think of would be Mick and Keith in the 80s. Had you asked me then, I would have said there was no way they would heal their rift after the Jaggar solo album (She's the Boss).
Cary Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 Rock star egos never heal. Being a rock musician from the time you are a teenager doesn't lend itself to developing 'get along with others' and 'forgiveness' skills.See Roth/Van Halen, Waters/Pink Floyd, Sting/Police, etc. You would think that, for the good of the fans and the legacy of the bands, these folks would be able to put aside their differences and act like adults. Hoo ha.I guess the only big exception I can think of would be Mick and Keith in the 80s. Had you asked me then, I would have said there was no way they would heal their rift after the Jaggar solo album (She's the Boss). Don't forget the Toxic Twins, Steven Tyler and Joe Perry. One of the greatest comebacks in R&R.
Craig S Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 I never could get into AC/DC after Bon Scott passed away. I guess the "new guy" has been around a little longer however.
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