zorrow Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 At the music store I'm staring at this 19 y/o guy who is playing some pretty solid metal stuff, but through a rig that sounds like crap to my ears. The guy suddenly says to me: "Man, this Metal Fullbore pedal sounds amazing, don't you think? Of course, the Line6 amp helps, as well as the EMGs" OMG! They know nothing!
Armitage Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Well to each their own... check out the Booties thread.
Bennyboy-UK Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Gash!One mans ultra-lead is another mans wasp in a jamjar...So it is, and so it shall always be......................
Sentinel Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Perhaps because no-one listens to music on HIFI-speakers anymore, so their reference is just on lousy earphones....!?
Bennyboy-UK Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Ref: Exhibit A - SRV - strat noise par excellence
crunchee Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Well to each their own... check out the Booties thread.Which thread is that? I must've missed it.Perhaps because no-one listens to music on HIFI-speakers anymore, so their reference is just on lousy earphones....!?I'm thinking that there's gonna be a LOT of deaf people in a few years, thanks to those earbuds.
The Shark Posted September 18, 2012 Posted September 18, 2012 Perhaps because no-one listens to music on HIFI-speakers anymore, so their reference is just on lousy earphones....!?THIS! My son brings his friends over to listen to my tube Mac 275 and my "record player" through my Polks. You can tell they only listen to buds. It's sad.
specialk Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 One mans ultra-lead is another mans wasp in a jamjar... Sig-worthy, old sausage!
lincsman Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 Oh to be 19 again, when I was 19 all we had were pedals,and a kay guitar from woolies
RichRS6 Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 Just found this on flea bay. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Colorsound-Supa-Wah-Fuzz-Swell-Guitar-Effects-Pedal-From-The-1970s-/310432617434?pt=UK_Guitar_Accessories&hash=item484739d3da#ht_500wt_1057My first F/X Pedal, look at the price !!Now you know why I don't use pedals any more !
veatch Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 Yup - i was all nostalgic for some of those old pedals i had back in the day. Then i saw the prices...
polara Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 I've thought about that "tone" thing... it's a wonderful parallel to the "you kids get off my lawn" each generation passes to the next.Classical guitarist of 1940s to 50s electric jazzer = that's not good tone, that's noise.Jazzer to rockabilly dude = that's not good tone, that's noise.Rockabilly to 60s stoner rocker = that's not good tone, that's noise.60s rocker to 80s hair farmer = that's not good tone, that's noise.Hair farmer to 00s scooped-mids buzz-fuzz riffer = that's not good tone, that's noise.
zenmindbeginner Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 I've thought about that "tone" thing... it's a wonderful parallel to the "you kids get off my lawn" each generation passes to the next.Classical guitarist of 1940s to 50s electric jazzer = that's not good tone, that's noise.Jazzer to rockabilly dude = that's not good tone, that's noise.Rockabilly to 60s stoner rocker = that's not good tone, that's noise.60s rocker to 80s hair farmer = that's not good tone, that's noise.Hair farmer to 00s scooped-mids buzz-fuzz riffer = that's not good tone, that's noise.Lolz!The problem is that "noise" is simultaneously a reality and also a subjective term. When the gain gets past a certain level, the signal compresses into shaped noise with the underlying "tone" reduced to a sine wave. It's how the earlier digital keyboards achieved "guitar" tones... shaped noise with an accentuated attack and an underlying sine wave for a discernible pitch.The latest crop of 7 string Djent players have tones that are indistinguishable from synthesized guitar created by a computer.NONE of them have interesting vibrato, or bend in unexpected ways, ALL have action where you can't even slide a sheet of paper underneath their strings and most of them barely even press their fingertips into the fretboard to make a note. Their "guitars" are made of tonewoods with no tone to speak of with their rigs churning out gobs of odd order harmonics.They have reached the threshold of noise and surpassed it.The 80's guys is where the gain should have stopped... that was borderline into noise territory.Classical guitarist of 1940s to 50s electric jazzer = that's not good tone, that's noise. Classical guitarist was acting like an arsehole and taking part in hyperboleJazzer to rockabilly dude = that's not good tone, that's noise. Jazzer guitarist was acting like an arsehole and taking part in hyperboleRockabilly to 60s stoner rocker = that's not good tone, that's noise. Rockabilly guitarist was acting like a jerk but wasn't being very hyperbolic60s rocker to 80s hair farmer = that's not good tone, that's noise. 60's rocker was being kind of jerky but had a point.Hair farmer to 00s scooped-mids buzz-fuzz riffer = that's not good tone, that's noise. Hair Farmer is trying to help the Djent player and is totally right.
crunchee Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 As I've gotten older, I've found I've been getting more into nuance and technique over aggressive, raging distortion. Mainly because nobody will let me play at full throttle anymore.
Never2Late Posted September 20, 2012 Posted September 20, 2012 I've thought about that "tone" thing... it's a wonderful parallel to the "you kids get off my lawn" each generation passes to the next.Classical guitarist of 1940s to 50s electric jazzer = that's not good tone, that's noise.Jazzer to rockabilly dude = that's not good tone, that's noise.Rockabilly to 60s stoner rocker = that's not good tone, that's noise.60s rocker to 80s hair farmer = that's not good tone, that's noise.Hair farmer to 00s scooped-mids buzz-fuzz riffer = that's not good tone, that's noise.Lolz!The problem is that "noise" is simultaneously a reality and also a subjective term. When the gain gets past a certain level, the signal compresses into shaped noise with the underlying "tone" reduced to a sine wave. It's how the earlier digital keyboards achieved "guitar" tones... shaped noise with an accentuated attack and an underlying sine wave for a discernible pitch.The latest crop of 7 string Djent players have tones that are indistinguishable from synthesized guitar created by a computer.NONE of them have interesting vibrato, or bend in unexpected ways, ALL have action where you can't even slide a sheet of paper underneath their strings and most of them barely even press their fingertips into the fretboard to make a note. Their "guitars" are made of tonewoods with no tone to speak of with their rigs churning out gobs of odd order harmonics.They have reached the threshold of noise and surpassed it.The 80's guys is where the gain should have stopped... that was borderline into noise territory.Classical guitarist of 1940s to 50s electric jazzer = that's not good tone, that's noise. Classical guitarist was acting like an arsehole and taking part in hyperboleJazzer to rockabilly dude = that's not good tone, that's noise. Jazzer guitarist was acting like an arsehole and taking part in hyperboleRockabilly to 60s stoner rocker = that's not good tone, that's noise. Rockabilly guitarist was acting like a jerk but wasn't being very hyperbolic60s rocker to 80s hair farmer = that's not good tone, that's noise. 60's rocker was being kind of jerky but had a point.Hair farmer to 00s scooped-mids buzz-fuzz riffer = that's not good tone, that's noise. Hair Farmer is trying to help the Djent player and is totally right.Nonsense. Noise has NO reality - you're being presumptuous to assume what you call 'noise' isn't deliberate art, just bad form, technique or equipment. How bourgeois, and sad. I think most free-form Jazz is noise, no matter how well the individual notes are articulated. Is feedback 'noise'? How do you listen to a Hendrix record without it? Tom Morello's talent and musical genius wrecks this thought-process - 'noise' is music if people create it, hear it, and connect with it as a form of expression. The Revolution against your way of thinking brought the sonic 'reboot' that was Grunge to the world.
cloakerz Posted September 20, 2012 Posted September 20, 2012 I made sure my sons band had good tone. I gave them a 1993 Hamer archtop gt, a hamer chap 4 string bass and a peavey classic 30.
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