Stokesdead Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 I sold my studio. Now this guy that I sold it too says it needs a fret job and he doesn't want to pay 200 dollars more for the work. He says the frets are flat. Aren't they supposed to be? I had the action set up high w/ .011's. He says that he has lowered the action to 4/64ths and the thing is buzzing like crazy. What should I tell him. Maybe the truss rod needs adjusting if he went to smaller strings. Now he asks me if I want it back. I can't buy it back. If I didn't need the money for other stuff I wouldn't have sold it. Now what do I do? guys why can't this just be easy???? ~CS
DEMENTED Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 If he went to smaller strings then yes. it needs a trussrod tweak.
MCChris Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 If he likes low action, I'd think low, flat frets would be desirable. Regardless, I doubt he would even need a full fret job; maybe a dress/level, which shouldn't cost 2 bills.It ain't your problem IMO.Was this an eBay deal?
seeker Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 Even if he didn't go to smaller strings, it might need a truss rod adjustment. If you had them high, that could hide a slight bowing that really becomes evident when lowering the action. WRT flat frets, the guitar had to have seen quite a bit of action to require fret replacement. Or does he mean fret dressing? If so, that's nowhere near 200. Don't know the terms of your sale; ebay, for sale verbiage, etc. Would have to know that to know where you really stand. Have I ever had a case like this? Not with guitars, but with a stompbox. The guy is -well- known over on TGP. He went apeshit over a $75 pedal that didn't work like he thought it should. Said his son had a pedal with the same problem. WTF he didn't ask me before is beyond me. Took it back; took shiipping both ways out of hide. Sucky thing is I had taken a publication of his in partial trade, which I ended up keeping and paying for. Kevin's blows it away!
Stokesdead Posted June 30, 2007 Author Posted June 30, 2007 i had posted the add for the studio on here as well as a few others. So it was a forum sale of of the metro amps forum. The guitar didn't see much action. Hell from '03-'05 I never even took it out of the case. I am lucky the fretboard didn't develop a crack from drying out. To be honest I don't really practice as much as I should and have only been in a gigging band for the last year and a half or so. I really doubt that it even needs a fret dress much less a refret. I know that guitar inside and out and there was no bow in the neck before I shipped. Granted I had it set up high, but still very playable. Just probably not how a "shredder" would like. It intonated spot on even with the action set like I liked it.Hmmmm.....
David B Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 Tell him he doesn't know to set up guitars & that's not your fault.
seeker Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 When I said bowing, I meant very slight. Sometimes it's hard to see; it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the guitar. I like my action very low, and have to do some slight adjustment for about 1 in 4 that originally have action higher than I like. My vote is with MC; not your problem. Sounds more like buyers remorse and he's looking for an out.
BadgerDave Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 Tell him to take it to a reputable repair shop that you can verify is legitimate. You want an expert opinion on the condition of the guitar and the extent of the work required (if any) to get the guitar in good playing shape.Talk to the repair tech yourself - don't take the buyer's word.If the frets are actually flat the guitar will need, at minimum, a fret crown and dress - possibly a partial or full refret. It all depends on how worn they are. Not trying to be an ass, but if I bought a guitar and the tops of the frets were flat, I would not be happy (unless, of course, the condition had been acurately described). Flat frets indicate a significant amount of wear and require a good bit of work by a skilled tech. Otherwise, it may be impossible to get reasobaly low action without buzzing and the guitar will not play as "in tune" on all frets as a guitar with properly crowned frets.
Mindseyes Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 See you should have swaped me for my 25th, you would not heard any crying from me!............lolAnyway good luck with this guy, sounds like buyer remorse to me!
atquinn Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 Fret wear is usually the first thing I ask about when used guitars are involved. Where's your ad? If you said in the ad that the guitar was "mint", "pristine", in "nigh-perfect" condition, I would be pissed if I was the buyer. So, IMO, it all depends on what information was exchanged before the guitar was sold. If nothing about the frets was discussed/implied, then at most I would go halfsies with him after he got an actual estimate of the cost to get the frets dealt with (and that was if he wasn't be a flaming @sshole). And Seeker, could you be any more obvious about the guy you were dealing with on TGP? Maybe he just thought your pedal was neck-heavy ! -Austin
BCR Greg Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 Ignorance on his part does not necessarily lead to dishonesty on your part. Tell the moog to have a real tech set it up, and that is that. Pay for the setup if he keeps it, he pays if he sends it back.
seeker Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 And Seeker, could you be any more obvious about the guy you were dealing with on TGP? Maybe he just thought your pedal was neck-heavy ! -Austin I suppose I could be. Weight? Pics? Price? are his favorite lines.
Steve Haynie Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 If you pay anyone, pay the music store tech that you can look up in the phone book. How short are you on being able to buy back the guitar? E-mail or call me.
Craig Posted June 30, 2007 Posted June 30, 2007 Eric - I agree with Greg. Pay a few bucks for a setup, otherwise too bad. I know you from the board, but I can't imagine you screwing this guy, so tough sh*t for him. Funny thing is the Special I bought from one Mr. BCR has a fret job, and is one of the best playing instruments ever. Too bad I can't press strings.
Stokesdead Posted July 1, 2007 Author Posted July 1, 2007 ok now he says he was just pulling my chain. Says he wants the frets worked up around the 15th fret but all is good.Who knows??????
Craig Posted July 1, 2007 Posted July 1, 2007 You are in the clear buddy, I wouldn't even give it another thought.
cmatthes Posted July 1, 2007 Posted July 1, 2007 Ignore. Deal completed. Unless the guitar was somehow misrepresented, sounds like the buyer is trying to dick you out of some $$. I go out of my way to make sure that any buyer is happy with something I'm selling BEFORE the sale is completed, but if there is something I somehow overlooked, I'd make that right. I've had situations where either Buyer's Remorse or Angry Spouse kicks in. THAT is not my problem!
tomteriffic Posted July 1, 2007 Posted July 1, 2007 I'm not familiar with the instrument, but from what I've gathered here, this guy's assertions are absolute horseshit. Hamer fret wire is some kind of special alloy and I've never seen anybody's frets wear longer. From what you described in terms of playing time, unless you absolutely toasted the strings and viciously scraped them sideways across the fret tops, they ought to be near-perfect. I've had 70's specials and a sunburst that had been rode hard and put away wet that, although they'd had some work, the frets were still very usable and in great shape given their age and use.
DavidE Posted July 1, 2007 Posted July 1, 2007 Even if he didn't go to smaller strings, it might need a truss rod adjustment. If you had them high, that could Sucky thing is I had taken a publication of his in partial trade, which I ended up keeping and paying for. Kevin's blows it away!Jack Zucker?
atquinn Posted July 1, 2007 Posted July 1, 2007 Even if he didn't go to smaller strings, it might need a truss rod adjustment. If you had them high, that could Sucky thing is I had taken a publication of his in partial trade, which I ended up keeping and paying for. Kevin's blows it away! Jack Zucker? That was my guess as well -Austin
Disturber Posted July 1, 2007 Posted July 1, 2007 Buying a used guitar and then getting pissed off that he needs to get a set up to make the guitar play the way he wants it to, and he is surprised? I think he should buy new if he so concerned, (not Gibsons ). I almost haven't bought one used guitar that I didn't need to mess with one way or the other to fit me the way I like it. Most of them get their frets dressed, even it it's an extra cost. It's like buing a used car, there is always something to fix here and there to make it play absolutely proper. I think you should tell him that the expense is on him, unless the frets were really worn out. Some players don't care at all about some fret wear, some (like me) like them even all over the fretboard. If he buys used he should be prepared to take that extra cost. Nothing strange with that.
elduave Posted July 1, 2007 Posted July 1, 2007 I sold a Standard many years ago and when the guy got it he started nitpicking about this and that. He wanted some money back. I told him to send the guitar back and I'd refund in full. He balked saying something like "of, don't worry about it (nervous laughter), I just wanted to see how flexible you are". Jagoff.
kizanski Posted July 1, 2007 Posted July 1, 2007 I sold a Standard many years ago and when the guy got it he started nitpicking about this and that. He wanted some money back. I told him to send the guitar back and I'd refund in full. He balked saying something like "of, don't worry about it (nervous laughter), I just wanted to see how flexible you are". Jagoff.You should have shown him how flexible HE was.
seeker Posted July 1, 2007 Posted July 1, 2007 Even if he didn't go to smaller strings, it might need a truss rod adjustment. If you had them high, that could Sucky thing is I had taken a publication of his in partial trade, which I ended up keeping and paying for. Kevin's blows it away! Jack Zucker? That was my guess as well -Austin I'll never tell. Even if you try to whip it out of me with a stack of wet pubs.
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