zorrow Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Is it like this? ...or it's the contrary? As I've seen listed as "zebra" what is tagged as "reverse zebra" in the picture above.
kizanski Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 That's the way I understand it, but I think some pickup companies have their own definition.
cynic Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 There are people that swear it's one way, and others that swear it's the other. I don't use or follow the labels, but instead confirm with the specific company I'm buying from.
murkat Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Is it like this? ...or it's the contrary? As I've seen listed as "zebra" what is tagged as "reverse zebra" in the picture above. that is it right there^. you have been confirmed.
bubs_42 Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 OK, if you are ordering dimarzio's the Orientation of the pickup colors is always the same. If you order a Zebra in the bridge and the neck they will be orientated in the same direction. See listing below:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dimarzio-PAF-36th-Anniversary-ZEBRA-Bridge-Neck-Pickup-Set-fit-Gibson-Les-Paul-/200666080213?pt=UK_Guitar_Accessories&hash=item2eb8a163d5
bubs_42 Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 See I thought the same thing Jay but after I ordered my Dimarzio's I learned that Dimarzio's are backward. http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Seymour-Duncan-JB-Jazz-Hot-Rodded-PICKUP-SET-Humbucker-SH-4-SH-2n-Zebra-/360443995172?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item53ec22e424
cynic Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 I'll say it again There are people that swear it's one way, and others that swear it's the other. I don't use or follow the labels, but instead confirm with the specific company I'm buying from.
Feynman Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Exactly - I ended up in an awkward spot once from making assumptions on what reverse cowboy meant.
murkat Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 As a former employee of the Gibson custom Shop,I am just going by what has been referred to by the Gibson Pickup authorities,as Gibson, Seth Lover were the creators of the Humbucking pickup, alsoacknowledged by Seymour Duncan and a few other Tastful pickup winders.I'm just say'n.Not an expert, just what has been drilled in my head.
cynic Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Not an expert, just what has been drilled in my head.I'm certainly not questioning your expertise, and I respect and understand you've been in the circles with those that would know for sure.The problem is, there are many winders that weren't in those circles, so what THEY sell strays from normal convention.Then there's Dimarzio, who just strays for the sake of straying.
hamerhead Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Duh you guys. They're all wrong. Wouldn't a zebra or reverse zebra have to be black-white-black-white or white-black-white-black?And you call yourselves professionals. Sheesh.
MCChris Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Then there's Dimarzio, who just strays for the sake of straying.Never liked DiMarzio. Now I like them even less.
bubs_42 Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 As a former employee of the Gibson custom Shop,I am just going by what has been referred to by the Gibson Pickup authorities,as Gibson, Seth Lover were the creators of the Humbucking pickup, alsoacknowledged by Seymour Duncan and a few other Tastful pickup winders.I'm just say'n.Not an expert, just what has been drilled in my head.Its not that you were wrong, Dimarzio just seems to want to do it their own way.
murkat Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Yeah, I know. Just say'n.fuck Larry diMarzio and his fuckn ways. dumb ass.
bubs_42 Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Wow, i'm sure he has the orientation patented or something and everyone else had to do it backwards.
atquinn Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 There are plenty of smaller winders out there that do it the exact same as Dimarzio (although the only one that comes to mind right now is Suhr). Personally, I find the lack of wiring/polarity standardization far more annoying.-Austin
cynic Posted March 22, 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Personally, I find the lack of wiring/polarity standardization far more annoying. Well sure, but you PLAY them My opinion is based solely on asthetics because I have nothing else to base it on
Armitage Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 There are people that swear it's one way, and others that swear it's the other. I don't use or follow the labels, but instead confirm with the specific company I'm buying from. Yup some companies call it one way, some the other. Most call the cream and screws regular, and black and screws reversed... but not always. Motor City Pickups comes to mind... Here's a set of Gibson PAFs... they came both ways... the argument is endless...
kizanski Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Here's a set of Gibson PAFs... they came both ways... the argument is endless... Everyone knows the double cremes sound better.
TattooedCarrot Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 WCR's are the opposite of that image, Jim calls reverse as bing cream side screws, regular is black screws.
Hamer Dave Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 Duh you guys. They're all wrong. Wouldn't a zebra or reverse zebra have to be black-white-black-white or white-black-white-black?And you call yourselves professionals. Sheesh.I'm with Hamerhead. I was just at the zoo with the kids and can prove it.Best to confirm with the manufacturer on what you expect. It's apparently done different ways depending who you're dealing with.
tbonesullivan Posted May 7, 2012 Posted May 7, 2012 was there any real reason for using the different color bobbins? was it just that they could only get certain colors of plastic at one time? like, if they were also making pickup rings at that same time, they'd just use the color that the pickup rings were. There really doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for it, and Gibson put covers on the pickups anyway, so it's not like people would know unless they looked under the hood.A better question would be why Hamers had a Zebra in the neck but a double cream and later double black in the bridge position.
cmatthes Posted May 7, 2012 Posted May 7, 2012 The reason Gibson used different colored bobbins in the '50s is a widely and well known fact - it's never been any big secret. The reason that Hamer, then Dean, (with DiMarzio) started using the "Zebra" bobbins in the '70s was purely aesthetic - a vintage throwback. Gibson started doing that again a few years later after it became trendy.
cynic Posted May 7, 2012 Posted May 7, 2012 A better question would be why Hamers had a Zebra in the neck but a double cream and later double black in the bridge position.The change from double cream to double black in the bridge probably coincided with the shift from Dimarzio to SD, due to the Dimarzio trademark.
cmatthes Posted May 7, 2012 Posted May 7, 2012 Yes - that's when the switch occurred on the Gibson-inspired designs. Hamer had used black Dimarzio Slammers for a while on the shred guitars before the total switch over.
Armitage Posted May 7, 2012 Posted May 7, 2012 A better question would be why Hamers had a Zebra in the neck but a double cream and later double black in the bridge position.The change from double cream to double black in the bridge probably coincided with the shift from Dimarzio to SD, due to the Dimarzio trademark.Yeah, it's hard to believe but in the '80s DiMarzio was awarded the trademark for double cream (six screw/six stud, and twelve hex screws) a 20+ years after everyone else was doing it, including Gibson!The cataloge picture of the Hamer Standard Custom had a double cream in the bridge and looked really cool... the double black that arrived, not so much (IMHO).
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