RobB Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 Holy Hunan! Unreal. She even does the "hairband on the neck" trick that Andy James does to cut down the string noise. It would be near impossible to play cleanly at that level of gain and with all of the string gymnastics without the handy hairband. It's great device for recording, too. Not very practical for open strings, though. BTW, Andy James is one of my favorite Lick Library instructors. I have a bunch of his videos, as they have forced me to "deconstruct" my playing and start over in some areas. His "Metal Rhythm" course is very good.
LucSulla Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 I think all that these shredding children videos have demonstrated is something that we thought was an extremely rare talent is actually just sorta rare. And I'm not saying that isn't amazing, but these videos do make the rounds. On the other hand, the resources that are available today are incredible. I think most anyone can learn to play fast. It's more a question of knowing what to practice to do it and how to make a bunch of scales and technique actually make sense to the person learning. When most of us were learning we had: 1. Tab books 2. Guitar magazines 3. Musicians we jammed with 4. Spending hours listening to the same thing trying to pick it out by ear 5. Guitar Teachers 6. That older dude who worked at the guitar store who was actually just two grades ahead of you who would show you cool licks while he was telling you how "over gain" he is now. Today, I can easily pop on YouTube and find someone slowing everything down with a tab in the link and maybe even an isolated track for just about anything even moderately popular. Finding the knowledge is easier than ever; it's a question of dedication and motivation really.
cynic Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 #3 was the step I achieved the most growth. I think it would be interesting to put a few of these kids in a room together to see what they come up with.
FGJ Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 The reason she can play better than most of us is because her fingers are freakishly long... I jest of course. Well, I'm more jealous that kids today have YouTube from which to learn than that they play better than I. I mean, like LucSulla said, they have the advantage. How many of them would play like that if they had to play an LP or cassette over and over to figure out songs and had no one to teach them anything?
diablo175 Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 7 hours ago, LucSulla said: I think all that these shredding children videos have demonstrated is something that we thought was an extremely rare talent is actually just sorta rare. And I'm not saying that isn't amazing, but these videos do make the rounds. On the other hand, the resources that are available today are incredible. I think most anyone can learn to play fast. It's more a question of knowing what to practice to do it and how to make a bunch of scales and technique actually make sense to the person learning. When most of us were learning we had: 1. Tab books 2. Guitar magazines 3. Musicians we jammed with 4. Spending hours listening to the same thing trying to pick it out by ear 5. Guitar Teachers 6. That older dude who worked at the guitar store who was actually just two grades ahead of you who would show you cool licks while he was telling you how "over gain" he is now. Today, I can easily pop on YouTube and find someone slowing everything down with a tab in the link and maybe even an isolated track for just about anything even moderately popular. Finding the knowledge is easier than ever; it's a question of dedication and motivation really. I posted on this very topic in a FB page a week back. The crux of the piece was: what did guitarists do before the internet? The responses I got (including my own memories) were pretty much the same as yours. Trying to dissect pieces by ear was probably the de facto means of learning songs, riffs and licks, albeit highly unreliable and laboriously slow. Copping licks from other players was another highly popular method. Also unreliable and scattershot, but it was cheap (free) and plentiful if you were in the company of other (aspiring) guitarists. One of my long time friends was responsible for helping to usher me down the path of learning guitar early on. Through his infinite patience and tutelage, I learned some valuable skills not typically covered in any book or course- the etiquette of jamming. i.e. understanding you don't shred ad-nauseum, riding the volume at full on the whole time. It was give and take and roll back on the volume to give the other player(s) a little room to step out. Guitar magazines and books ( anyone remember how stoked you were when Guitar for the Practicing Musician came on the scene?) were also a bounty of info. Jimi Hendrix Note for Note by Richard Daniels acquired early on in my playing was absolutely crucial in introducing me to the pentatonic scale, power chords, open chords (and some interesting ones at that) and likely kept me interested in playing. Teachers? Yeah, there's those guys, too. I had several back then but in all honesty, they did more to turn me off of playing than to inspire me so, I'd add the caveat that teachers are only effective if they inspire you to keep playing. In retrospect and at the risk of incurring RobB's righteous indignation, had I knuckled under and stuck with a teacher I might be whole lot better than I am now.
Steve Haynie Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 She is playing a Music Man Petrucci model. Some of Petrucci's mojo comes with every guitar and makes you play that way.
sixesandsevens Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 7 hours ago, Steve Haynie said: She is playing a Music Man Petrucci model. Some of Petrucci's mojo comes with every guitar and makes you play that way. *don't say it's probably a chinese knockoff, don't say it's probably a chinese knockoff, don't ...*
Biz Prof Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 6 minutes ago, crunchee said: It could be worse... What's not divulged in that video is the food that these starving kids will be allowed to eat if they play that piece perfectly and smile whilst doing it. Ahhhh...life with Kim Jong-un.
Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Biz Prof said: What's not divulged in that video is the food that these starving kids will be allowed to eat if they play that piece perfectly and smile whilst doing it. Ahhhh...life with Kim Jong-un. What's also not disclosed is everyone in that video is at least 16 years old, but the ravages of malnutrition have taken their toll...
gorch Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 12 hours ago, crunchee said: It could be worse... Old stuff. Those kids should be almost grown by now. I'd have fears when these robots start having the blues.
Michael_B Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 Meh... she needs to work on her guitar face and poses.
carfish7 Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 Ok, I will risk being labeled a grumpy old man or something, but this sort of thing no longer impresses me. The fact that one can work their way up to copying a complex piece shows dedication, patience and good instruction. However, there are 2 things missing here; creative expression and especially in this case, any signs of real joy being felt in the activity. Music can be a tremendous vehicle for expressing a deeper part of ourselves and even has a certain element of spirituality to it at its finest in my opinion. This leaves me as cold as the expression on YOYO's face. The tiny smile at the end even felt forced. Sorry, but thats my take. Yawn. YMMV of course, and I look forward to YOYO taking this admittedly advanced technical prowess and CREATING something that really lights her up, and by extension, others.
crunchee Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 +1 on what carfish7 says...it's done well, and she's great at it, but It also makes me feel like I'm watching a formal music recital. The only thing seeing this video makes me want to do is to go look for the snack tray.
diablo175 Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 22 hours ago, Michael_B said: Meh... she needs to work on her guitar face and poses. Yup.
Biz Prof Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 An anecdotal observation about Chinese culture: In my primary vocation, I have (among dozens of other duties) directed a PRC-funded Chinese culture/language visiting scholar since 2009. This experience has given me a somewhat exclusive lens in which to view that nation's political and cultural paradigms. The Chinese middle class is actually a lot like the American middle class. But Geert Hofstede nailed what is fundamentally different between our cultures. We value individualism and creativity, while they value collectivism authority, and perfection of craft. Every middle class Chinese kid is forced to study a musical instrument. Some develop a love for it; others go through the motions. The pressure to perform and achieve is a very real and weighty thing for these kids. So, it does not shock me to see any Chinese kid robotically master a technique or piece of music. I just hope they eventually have a chance to pursue their passion. They damn sure have the work ethic.
LucSulla Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 Can we argue about Hofstede on a guitar forum?
Biz Prof Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 18 minutes ago, LucSulla said: Can we argue about Hofstede on a guitar forum? Only if you promise not to drag Kurt Lewin or Max Weber into it.
LucSulla Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 50 minutes ago, Biz Prof said: Only if you promise not to drag Kurt Lewin or Max Weber into it. I actually don't have much issue with Hofstede, more the ridiculously reductionist way I see the whole individual/collectivist thing get used. I've even seen college professors say stuff to east-Asian students like, "well, I would have assumed you would do better on group projects." My experience is, while most of us can't drop years of acculturation completely ever, people tend to drift back toward whatever the cultural norm is where they are if they have lived there long enough. Watching South Korean and Chinese students try on individualism, sometimes to the point of being ostracized, while studying here in the States was always pretty interesting to me.
Nathan of Brainfertilizer Fame Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 1 hour ago, LucSulla said: Can we argue about Hofstede on a guitar forum? No. The rules of civilized society are that on guitar forums, there must be a harmonious consensus on Hofstede. Enforced with tasers and/or exposure to Lena Dunham pictures, if necessary. Now, if this were an accordian forum, we could have at it.
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