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3 minutes ago, Studio Custom said:

The entire Van Halen shtick was just as cheesy, just earlier in the evolution of hair metal, so they got a pass UNTIL Sammy joined.  

It was cheesy but it was them - it’s literally who they were. Eddie was a drunken savant, Alex was smarter but still a drunkard with a chip on his shoulder aspiring to class jump, Dave was Dave - a kooky dreamer with all kinds of sauce and sizzle.... (all 3 coked to the gills) Mike was a good dude.... Van Halen was what they made up as they went along.... what the kids inspired them to be..... it was a shake n bake of California sun and cool fueled by the Bolivian marching powder in the post 70’s collapse of the benzo culture of highway murders and hitchhiker abductions.... Van Halen was the antidote to a disease.

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6 minutes ago, Dasein said:

It was cheesy but it was them - it’s literally who they were. Eddie was a drunken savant, Alex was smarter but still a drunkard with a chip on his shoulder aspiring to class jump, Dave was Dave - a kooky dreamer with all kinds of sauce and sizzle.... (all 3 coked to the gills) Mike was a good dude.... Van Halen was what they made up as they went along.... what the kids inspired them to be..... it was a shake n bake of California sun and cool fueled by the Bolivian marching powder in the post 70’s collapse of the benzo culture of highway murders and hitchhiker abductions.... Van Halen was the antidote to a disease.

I will concede to your point. Even as a young and dumb teenager, I knew full well that VH were self-parodying. Winger did a lot of posing, which make it all the worse for them as metal died and gave way to three-chord fuzz and flannel.

ETA: I put Winger and Stryper in the same file in my mind:  Lyrics that beg for a total rehash, wayyyy too much posing and distracting aesthetic nonsense, but incredibly complex musicianship and precise chops that made a lot of other metal bands look like amateurs.

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9 minutes ago, Stike said:

Virility, that's exactly what Don (Dokken not Brewer) is lacking. Always seemed theater kid does rock sorta thing to me.

Don’s real name is Blaine, and at the end of every show he’d take off the wig and go home for sit down dinners with his very white upper middle class parents and they’d all talk about mutual funds and interest rates while wondering when Blaine would settle down...

basically Don Dokken was just a costume for some east coast WASP playing rockstar. At least that’s what I always thought. 

*this is my speculation entirely. Don’s name might not be Blaine but he sure looks like a Blaine.

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I'm betting it was the Neil Young content, lol.

I've had good dealings with Big Mike. I suspect that anyone moderating a forum of 181k members will eventually throw up their hands and default to "Fuck it, ban."

I've gotten some great info from TGP over the years. There are still contributors like David Torn, Pete Thorn, Johnny A, Steve Kimock, Aram Bajakian, John Suhr, Terry McInturff, Ron Thorn, Walter Wright, Cliff Chase, Christoph Kemper, and the Line 6 guys, but yeah, it isn't what it once was. No more Elliot Easton, James Wilsey, Dave Kilminster, James Valentine, Tomo Fujita, David Collins, ....

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2 hours ago, burningyen said:

I'm betting it was the Neil Young content, lol.

I've had good dealings with Big Mike. I suspect that anyone moderating a forum of 181k members will eventually throw up their hands and default to "Fuck it, ban."

I've gotten some great info from TGP over the years. There are still contributors like David Torn, Pete Thorn, Johnny A, Steve Kimock, Aram Bajakian, John Suhr, Terry McInturff, Ron Thorn, Walter Wright, Cliff Chase, Christoph Kemper, and the Line 6 guys, but yeah, it isn't what it once was. No more Elliot Easton, James Wilsey, Dave Kilminster, James Valentine, Tomo Fujita, David Collins, ....

I would never have thought ol’ Neil would have been my undoing over there. I turn 50  in a week - I’m approaching the demographic pretty damn fast.  I guess this ol’ Northern man don’t need Neil around now either — not if it means I turn into a humorless old bastard hiding from my mortality.

you're right about the mix of pros present and absent. I actually saw dudes taking pot shots at the pros in threads so I understand it.....  the great balance to preserve the sanctity of mediocre opinions. Good times indeed.

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I look at TGP sometimes, but damn things just move so fast, and there's a 90% chance that any thread started has already been done 200 times already.

 

More specialized forums are where it's at.

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2 hours ago, tbonesullivan said:

I look at TGP sometimes, but damn things just move so fast, and there's a 90% chance that any thread started has already been done 200 times already.

 

More specialized forums are where it's at.

Agree. When I'm trying to figure something out, I'll check the TGP to see if I can avoid reinventing the wheel.  

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7 hours ago, Stike said:

Speaking of Stars, does anyone give props to Dave Meniketti's vocals? Dude's got pipes.

I think one of the first times I met Senor Rechts was at JAXX in Springfield in the late '90s for a Y&T show I caught with Turdus.  

Could be wrong?

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7 hours ago, Dasein said:

I would never have thought ol’ Neil would have been my undoing over there. I turn 50  in a week - I’m approaching the demographic pretty damn fast.

The problem with this logic is that  the Neil Young worshipping set is getting older as fast as we are. It's not an age thing, it's a generational thing. And there has never been a more generationally narcissistic bunch than Boomers are with the music they loved in 1972. I could rant for pages on this point, but you get it. You're one of is Gen-X cynical bastards.

The same 50 year old fucker who kept playing needle and the damage done every time he picked up a guitar 20 years ago is 70 now, and guaranteed he's doing the same thing and has never heard of or learned the songs from any band that came out after the invention of the compact disc.   You needn't join them.

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I still lurk on TGP for guitars for sale.  I now get the ads as I didn't really see a value in paying to sell guitars there.  I am content here at the HFC where I can blaspheme Neil Young as much as I like.

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Neil Young - the dexterity of Jimmy Vaughn, the tone of Buddy Guy, the precision of Jimmy Page, and the voice of Big Bird - all in one.  C'mon - if you're gonna blast 'legends', ramp it up a little!

Every visit to The Gear Page looked like a shitshow even waaay back when, so I never joined and rarely go there. Same with the Les Paul Forum. This is the only board I'm a regular at, but the Telecaster forum (TDPRI) seems to have really good, helpful people. In lurking there the guys do great gear reviews (like here) and seem to mostly get along just fine, with minimal dickheadism. If I ever get a Tele I can play, I might join up. So probably never.....

 

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3 hours ago, hamerhead said:

Telecaster forum (TDPRI) seems to have really good, helpful people. In lurking there the guys do great gear reviews (like here) and seem to mostly get along just fine, with minimal dickheadism. If I ever get a Tele I can play, I might join up. So probably never.....

 

I'm sorry, but you probably won't be happy at TDPRI either. I'm pretty sure that both TGP & TDPRI are owned and operated by the same group.

https://www.tdpri.com/search/86184231/?q=scott+peterson&o=relevance

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Well thanks for bursting that bubble. B)

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6 hours ago, Hbom said:

I'm sorry, but you probably won't be happy at TDPRI either. I'm pretty sure that both TGP & TDPRI are owned and operated by the same group.

https://www.tdpri.com/search/86184231/?q=scott+peterson&o=relevance

I don't visit TDPRI as much these days, but as a long time member, I'd say the overall tenor of that site is much friendlier and quite different from TGP, shared ownership be damned. 

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yeah. I'm with the band. Mike said I was spammin.I mentioned my amp tech.  gee, a vietnam vet electrician in Asheville NC with 35 years clean and a recovery counselor, also makes handwired amps. 

law have mercy, someone is bombing atlanta...

http://theampshop.com/

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On 8/23/2019 at 1:45 AM, Moose said:

there has never been a more generationally narcissistic bunch than Boomers are with the music they loved in 1972.

Bite me Moose. Bob Welch and Sentimental Lady RULES.

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1 hour ago, gtrdaddy said:

Bite me Moose. Bob Welch and Sentimental Lady RULES.

Hey, it isn't my style, but it's still a damned good song:

And I'm not joking. It is great in its genre, well written, well produced, catchy melody, and was a massive hit in adult contempo. I appreciate everything about it. Even more now that I see him light the damned cigar first!

 

That said, my statement stands. 

And it's entirely based on my truly scientific research of having older friends who would never learn a single goddamned song written after 1980 to play with me while expecting me to play the same goddamned rolling stones riffs they'd been playing since they were in college in the 70s.  So take it with a grain of salt just like all of the other shite that comes out of me.

However, I must say that the problem with breaking through stereotypes is there's always some asshole out there willing to reinforce them. And the OFM band (Old Fat Man -- you know the dudes, usually a panama hat, aloha shirt, sandals, or some combination in the mix, playing the same sad blues shuffle in E they've played for 45 years) worshipping Young, Stones, Beatles, and the like while somehow missing out on three or four decades of musical evolution is about as reinforced a stereotype as there ever was.

Or maybe I'm wrong and it isn't just boomers. I do have more catholic taste in music than almost anyone I know. But I don't know many people my age who have worshipped guns and roses or nirvana non-stop to the exclusion of all music that has come since.

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4 minutes ago, Moose said:

And I'm not joking. It is great in its genre, well written, well produced, catchy melody, and was a massive hit in adult contempo. I appreciate everything about it.

It is a good song, it was much better when Welch was still part of Fleetwood Mac on the Bare Trees album. 

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6 minutes ago, Moose said:

it's entirely based on my truly scientific research of having older friends who would never learn a single goddamned song written after 1980 to play with me while expecting me to play the same goddamned rolling stones riffs they'd been playing since they were in college in the 70s. 

Damn it Moose, find some new friends! :lol:

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Fair warning -- nothing in this post is relevant to anything, so you might just skip it.

59 minutes ago, gtrdaddy said:

Damn it Moose, find some new friends! :lol:

Nah, I'm good. Finding friends is way too much work.

I tried.  Hard. For years.  Seriously.

I currently have almost none. And none who can play music with me, for various reasons. Having to do with me in some cases, in others just the sad loss if their vitality from their self destructive behavior or the ravages of time -- my roommate had a couple strokes a few years back and can't really do the guitar stuff anymore.

I'd give an awful lot to hear my roommate  bang out a Neil Young tune again, no matter how much I despise OFM bands.

 

I have switched to playing solo stuff. Recently I have been mining '90s and '00s songwriters for songs I have no business covering and take the challenge to cram my voice and a solo electric guitar into the singer songwriter silliness.  I occasionally "appear" at an open mic night, which was more fun two years ago as I am a dead ringer for Chris Stapleton and since I seldom play I had a lot of people wondering for a while there. But I cultivate the aloofness and everyone thinks I'm an ex almost rock star. If I decide to play my songs with a band I'll just hire a bassist I know from there or the local college music program and tell him what to do rather than bother with the social aspects of an old fashioned democratic band working up arrangements. And I play whatever I want. It's SO much easier.

Interestingly, about 20 years ago I instituted a "no Stones, ever" policy due to my aging boomer jam mates refusal to learn anything new. And I live by it.   A decade back I was playing bass in a jam up in LA with a heavy hitter on guitar (Real heavy, like "has performed in front of 100,000 strong crowds" heavy) and he kept trying to pull out Stones licks. The drummer (also a heavy hitter, I had NO business jamming with these people) was also a No Stones man and every time guitarist would whip out some of Keef's finest drummer and I would look at each other and stop dead. It got to be pretty hilarious. Pissed guitarist off to no end, which made it even funnier, but I'm sorry. A rule is a rule.

I have a similar rule for Grateful Dead, but not because I'm sick of them. Just because I didn't like the girls it tended to draw to the stage when I was in college. You know the type. Earth Biscuits. Jerry's Kids. Flower Children. The Unshaven. My College band was doing our shtick of playing any request, even if we didn't know it (And, yes, we were horrible) and a couple of dredheaded Patchouli Julies had crowded their way to the front of the stage. I called them "Rainbow" and "Flower." Flower was making googly eyes at my guitarist but not getting any response so when we called for the next song Rainbow said to me "I'll do ANYTHING if you'll play some Dead"

"Anything?" I asked.

"Yes."

"Give me your bra." Figuring that'd shut her up.

So, the arms get sucked into that baggy hippie dress that the Vegan Children of the Haight wore in 1989, there was a commotion inside the dress like a couple of bulldogs fighting under a tie dyed beadsheet, and one arm comes out with a bra, which I dutifully hung on my mic stand. I asked the guitarist if he knew any Dead songs, he said "I fucking hate the Dead. Let's never play Dead again." And so we played Led Zeppelin and Ramones for the rest of the night.  I have never performed a Dead song since.

Rules are rules.

So, you can see, I most definitely do not fit in with the Gear Page crowd. Probably why I've had an account for longer than I've done the HFC thing and haven't attempted to post since I sold some stuff ten or fifteen years back.

And, to bring the story full circle, Flower went home with my guitarist that night. Rainbow got shitfaced, passed-out drunk and came for me after the show as Flower was trying to flirt with my guitarist. I'm sad to say I took advantage of her. I was young, and had needs. I took her home, put her to bed, then raided her refrigerator and made myself a sammich. Definitely not my finest hour.

 

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Umm...I love Neil Young AND the Grateful Dead. 

And @Moose, we need more details. What kind of sandwich???

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15 minutes ago, Kurt L said:

Umm...I love Neil Young AND the Grateful Dead. 

And @Moose, we need more details. What kind of sandwich???

Well, we know it wasn’t a Flower sandwich...

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Shit sandwich. Duh.

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31 minutes ago, hamerhead said:

Shit sandwich. Duh.

 

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