Mindseyes Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 More of the girl. NOW. Look closely. I think there's a bulge in that photo. I'd be cautious, "she" might have a dick bigger than you do. Trust me there is NO buldge, just warm womanly goodness! Back to the topic at hand, There is a few albums out from smaller bands i like that been recorded to sound "Lo-fi" and i justt hate it, drums sound like cardboard box's and such....
Matt Mattson Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 I knew that would bring them out! I'd really like to see proof though . . .
tafkathundernotes Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 "Now, on to Willie G's question about pretense: What first comes to mind is anything that reveals the mindset of "I'm famous, so anything I say about politics is relevant" qualifies. That would include most music by Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, U2, and Don Henley."You forgot Toby Keith. Well, I don't ordinarily listen to Toby Keith, but yes, you're right about him too!
SirDouglas Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 i think the clutter in mindseye's pics sets the tone very well.... nice use of color Randy
zorrow Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Blind Guardian's "A Nigth At The Opera". They wanted to pair Queen!? C'mon! Blind Guardian is cool, but this album is overproduced and overthought. And if in addition it was titled "A Nigth At The Opera", how could I stand it? Pretentious: Operation Mind Crime by Queensreich. How you go from a cool metal band with a tune like Queen of the Reich to a pink floyd wanna be I'll never know. "Operation Mindcrime" is actually my preferred album from Queensryche. It is pretentious, yes, but to me it is a masterpiece anyways. However, it's a shame it was the last album I liked from Queensryche. With "Empire" they went so mature they just got rotten. From then on it was all downhill. BTW, if you want something as pretentious as "Operation Mindcrime" but really crappy, go with "Operation Mindcrime II".
cmatthes Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Zorrow: BTW, if you want something as pretentious as "Operation Mindcrime" but really crappy, go with "Operation Mindcrime II". Sorry - I never got those guys. I recognize talent in what they do, but it's all too pretentious for me. Not slamming 'em, just my opinion. Stuff like that and Dream Theater bore me. They would be better with no goofy lyrics - all that Dungeons and "deep" metaphysical crap that sounds like it was lifted off the doodles out of a 9th grader's notebook totally cracks me up. At least with bands like Dio, I enjoy the whole comedy aspect of it all and "get " the song! I'm sure I could think of a few not mentioned yet, but I'm just too damned tired right now.
JohnnyB Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Brian Wilson's "Smile".No one cares and you don't need 38 musicians on stage with you (I know that he was once a musical genius, but he can barely perform and it gets a bit painful to watch) doing uninspired below-average Beach Boys retreads.I couldn't disagree more. True, Brian's voice isn't as clear and pristine as it once was, but then, it was one of the clearest and most pristine voices in pop music, ever. And it's still serviceable.As for the 19 touring musicians, it was Brian's ground-breaking studio experimentations prior to the making of Pet Sounds that brought such diverse sounds as cellos, tympani, vibes, and sleigh bells into pop music. The Smile album he envisioned for 1967 would have been the culmination of all that. To re-realize it in 2004-5 required not only 19 musicians, but that several of them stay very busy doubling and tripling on multiple instruments. The Wondermints and the others who made up the tour and concert DVD are some of the most talented pop musicians I've ever seen.As for the vocals, the sad lesson I took away from the Smile live concert and DVD is that Brian's biggest mistake was not ditching his brothers and cousin in 1966. They didn't like his new musical directions and Mike Love especially simply wanted to coast on sun, surf, and car songs. Brian no longer needed them, but unfortunately didn't realize it until the damage was done. He should have left and found new vocalists. The harmony vocal work in the latter day Smile is about as good as it gets.And for all the elaborate and complex voicing, the structure of the album, and obscure but highly allusive lyrics, Brian's title for the album wasn't "Journey to the Center of the Earth," "Stairway to Heaven," or "Threshold of a Dream." It was simply "Smile." He wanted everyone to have a good time, which is about as unpretentious as you can get.
Guest pirateflynn Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Much of the material meant for the original SMILE album can be found on "Friends" and "Smilie Smile" and while it doesn't come together as a cohesive unit, it is some beautiful music. The film of Brian Wilson playing piano and singing a demo of Surf's Up at his home is chilling. One can only wonder what would've happened if he was able to keep it together. Pet Sounds and Smile almost certainly would have been a one/two knockout.I did see a BW concert before the Smile tour. I enjoyed it but he is clearly suffering from some permanent damage.
hamerican gigolo Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Joe Satriani - Engines of Creation. Unlistenable.Metallica - St. Anger. The worst snare drum ever recorded. And the de-tuned guitars didn't help much either.Why pretentious? Because both acts thought they could survive jumping on a musical "bandwagon", changing their style drastically without alienating their fanbase. No dice. At least Joe came to his senses and went back to doing what he does best on his last couple of albums. The jury is still out on Metallica.And anything by Rage against the machine. They define the word pretentious. They're political rantings rate up there with Keith Olberman. -Bobby I would have to agree with the statement about Mr. Olberman.
serial Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 And for all the elaborate and complex voicing, the structure of the album, and obscure but highly allusive lyrics, Brian's title for the album wasn't "Journey to the Center of the Earth," "Stairway to Heaven," or "Threshold of a Dream." It was simply "Smile." He wanted everyone to have a good time, which is about as unpretentious as you can get.I thought the whole thing was overhyped and woefully inadequate in delivery.Then again, I find Eric Clapton and Carlos Santana painfully boring.
Guest pirateflynn Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 I thought the whole thing was overhyped and woefully inadequate in delivery.I can understand that. Smile was meant for '66/'67 and so it's an album out of time. Plus, it was hyped from the very start and that anticipation was part of it's original demise.
zorrow Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Zorrow: BTW, if you want something as pretentious as "Operation Mindcrime" but really crappy, go with "Operation Mindcrime II".Sorry - I never got those guys. I recognize talent in what they do, but it's all too pretentious for me. Not slamming 'em, just my opinion. Stuff like that and Dream Theater bore me. They would be better with no goofy lyrics - all that Dungeons and "deep" metaphysical crap that sounds like it was lifted off the doodles out of a 9th grader's notebook totally cracks me up. At least with bands like Dio, I enjoy the whole comedy aspect of it all and "get " the song! I also like it simple and stupid these days. Queensryche became more and more rigid and forced album after album. At a given moment it was just too much brain, no soul and no sex at all. I think the main problem with Queensryche is that they took themselves so f@#$% seriously that all the charm got lost in their way to glory. A true shame!
BCR Greg Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Talking Heads, Television,Sonic Youth, all that art rock shit. Hate it. The Emperor is naked, folks.
Stike Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Surely Robert Fripp will get a mention here somewhere?
cmatthes Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 I think the main problem with Queensryche is that they took themselves so f@#$% seriously that all the charm got lost in their way to glory. A true shame! That's it right there! When a band starts taking themselves too seriously, they begin to SUCK.Give me somebody like Dave Grohl who takes the music seriously, but not himself. Ya still have to have fun with it, right?
guitarzandstuff Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Does this one qualify? Listen to bad-ass Pat's cover of Holy Diver... My ears are bleeding!! Talking Heads, Television,Sonic Youth, all that art rock shit. Hate it. The Emperor is naked, folks. +1
Guest Meshuggah Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Anything with spandex, raggedy-ann wigs, studs, leather, high heels, black eye-liner, industrial axe murderer fonts, and excessive use of Z in place of S on the cover would qualify in my book.
JohnnyThunders Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 I heard that Lou Reed did Metal Machine Music in order to get out of a recording contract, or to meet the requirement of one. They had to get an album from him, and he gave them one that no one would want. Pretty funny IMO.Yep that's what I heard also, my buddy back in the day John W. use to come over and crash at my house and play that album over and over again till I got up one night and broke it in half. I tossed him for good in the morning. Hated the album with a passion!
Feynman Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Anything with spandex, raggedy-ann wigs, studs, leather, high heels, black eye-liner, industrial axe murderer fonts, and excessive use of Z in place of S on the cover would qualify in my book.MezzhüggaH , don't forget umlauts.It just occured to me that we are on page four with no mention of His Royal Highness Dave Matthews.
SteveB Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 so apparently alot of people would prefer that Rock stay in it's natural form as a folk art. Boring.
BubbaVO Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 1) KISS - Music from the Elder. 2) Styx - Every album. Dennis DeYoung makes every tune a show tune.3) Laurie Anderson - Home of the Brave. A live album that you end up wondering what was the point of doing this crap live.
JohnnyB Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 so apparently alot of people would prefer that Rock stay in it's natural form as a folk art. Boring.No, I hope not. One could certainly say that Sgt. Peppers was a very ambitious album, but it's not pretentious. In fact, that's the great magic of the Beatles: they were very ambitious without becoming pretentious. That's why I can't agree that Brian Wilson's "Smile", either in 1967 or in 2005, is pretentious. It was very ambitious, especially for a 26-yr-old without a song collaborator like John Lennon and without a producer like George Martin. And if his ultimate realization of it in 2004 fell a little short, that's not pretentious, it's ambitious. Not every ambition gets realized, and I can't fault the guy for trying. And personally, I think his delivery on the 2005 tour was a lot better than Serial does.There's an old joke about British '70s rock: Q: How do you spell pretentious?A: E-L-PAs ambitious as Beatles albums and Brian Wilson's albums were, the writers and musicians never assumed an outsize sense of importance about their work, nor did they act as though their albums could change mankind or that they plumbed the philosophical depths of the ages. Nor did they act like they could phone it in it would be just as good. Those are the marks of pretentiousness.
tomteriffic Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 so apparently alot of people would prefer that Rock stay in it's natural form as a folk art. Boring.Q: How do you spell pretentious?A: E-L-PHow about Y-E-S? Especially after about the 4th album?
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