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I'm glad you said it, Muse.

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Eh. As long as the guys at the factory are still employed... then no harm. Come one, admit it: We were all trading and selling and buying used Hamers 'cos they're too damn pricey for 99% of us new. Sa

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Jobs changed the world, Fender changed music... regardless of the inevitable distortions, right or wrong, long from now they will be remembered for what they made and not how they made it... period. :D

Let's get one thing straight: Gates changed the world, Jobs followed a distant second for decades. It is the 20 and 30-somethings that are too young to remember this fact and have held Jobs up to the God-like status he currently holds (even posthumously).

It was Bill Gates' dream that everyone would have a computer in their homes at a time what this was simply ludicrous. This is what brought Internet into every home.

You can debate that Jobs improved on Gates' ideas, but that's not the point.

The reason we are all here discussing anything on a message board in the first place is because of Bill Gates.

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...and Al Gore.

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Jobs changed the world, Fender changed music... regardless of the inevitable distortions, right or wrong, long from now they will be remembered for what they made and not how they made it... period. :D

Let's get one thing straight: Gates changed the world, Jobs followed a distant second for decades.

It's not one or the other, it's both. Gates changed the world by mainstreaming desktop computing. Jobs changed the world by mainstreaming mobile computing...period!

Oh, and I've heard lots of people that heard from lots of other people that Leo was all about the bottom line, and saying so isn't demonizing...period!

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Kiz, way off topic but...

"In 1988, Apple sued Microsoft for copyright infringement of the LISA and Apple Macintosh GUI. The court case lasted 4 years before almost all of Apple's claims were denied on a contractual technicality. Subsequent appeals by Apple were also denied. Microsoft and Apple apparently entered a final, private settlement of the matter in 1997."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface

The Windows concept was lifted from Apple which lifted it from Xerox. Job's "mistake" in the early days was not licensing the GUI OS it was developing to other hardware makers which Gates did gladly. I think it is safe to say that without the Windows OS Microsoft would have been a successful software company but maybe not "world changers".

p.s. period. :)

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Jeezus - with all these periods I thought I was on The View's website.

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The Windows concept was lifted from Apple which lifted it from Xerox. Job's "mistake" in the early days was not licensing the GUI OS it was developing to other hardware makers which Gates did gladly. I think it is safe to say that without the Windows OS Microsoft would have been a successful software company but maybe not "world changers".

p.s. period. :)

So they both had the same tech, yet one was able to brand it and market it to a point that it reached (and maintains) a 90% market share.

A concept alone doesn't change the world...you have to sell it. Gates did.

Imagine waking up to a world devoid of MS products tomorrow morning.

Shit. Would. Stop. Period.

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Imagine waking up to a world devoid of MS products tomorrow morning.

Shit. Would. Stop. Period.

I'm not really a Microsoft or Apple fan, but I have to agree with this. If every Apple product disappeared tomorrow the world would keep turning. If every Microsoft product disappeared we would be in a world of hurt. For example, everything Fender designs and builds starts out in SolidWorks CAD software running on Windows machines...ditto for Harley-Davidson, Ducati, etc.

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Also, remember the basic fact that in a blind sound test, 99.9 percent of the "tone snobs" on the planet, myself included, couldn't tell the difference between a 2004 Strat and a 1962 Strat.

That kind of attitude will get you thrown the fuck off the Gear Page, guy.

So will a reply of "fuck her already and get it over with" in a thread started by a landscaper about how an old lady client of his had a habit of watching his every move whenever he cut her grass. Ask me how I know!

Hahaha! I guess that's why I've never been on the Gear Page...I do want to hear the landscaper story, though...

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Jobs changed the world, Fender changed music... regardless of the inevitable distortions, right or wrong, long from now they will be remembered for what they made and not how they made it... period. :D

Let's get one thing straight: Gates changed the world, Jobs followed a distant second for decades.

It's not one or the other, it's both. Gates changed the world by mainstreaming desktop computing. Jobs changed the world by mainstreaming mobile computing...period!

Oh, and I've heard lots of people that heard from lots of other people that Leo was all about the bottom line, and saying so isn't demonizing...period!

There would be no latter without the former. And let's not forget how long Jobs was chasing Gates' ass, trying to get to 5% of the market share which Gates owned.

Gates changed the world into what we know it today. Jobs merely made changes to the changes (and I'm not down-playing that).

Even the iPod was technology that SONY (a company I worked for in the early 2000's) invented, marketed, and then for some inexplicable reason abandoned. Essentially handing it to Apple.

Jobs was a visionary, but he was not the one responsible for the manner in which we are all connected, neither was he above perpetuating slave labor in China so that we could have more iPads.

He was a humanitarian but he was also a businessman, so we can't absolve him of all of the negatives that come with that moniker.

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Jeezus - with all these periods I thought I was on The View's website.

I doubt Barbara Walters has had a period since the Eisenhower administration. Just sayin'.

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Jobs changed the world, Fender changed music... regardless of the inevitable distortions, right or wrong, long from now they will be remembered for what they made and not how they made it... period. :D

Let's get one thing straight: Gates changed the world, Jobs followed a distant second for decades.

It's not one or the other, it's both. Gates changed the world by mainstreaming desktop computing. Jobs changed the world by mainstreaming mobile computing...period!

Oh, and I've heard lots of people that heard from lots of other people that Leo was all about the bottom line, and saying so isn't demonizing...period!

There would be no latter without the former. And let's not forget how long Jobs was chasing Gates' ass, trying to get to 5% of the market share which Gates owned.

Gates changed the world into what we know it today. Jobs merely made changes to the changes (and I'm not down-playing that).

Even the iPod was technology that SONY (a company I worked for in the early 2000's) invented, marketed, and then for some inexplicable reason abandoned. Essentially handing it to Apple.

Jobs was a visionary, but he was not the one responsible for the manner in which we are all connected, neither was he above perpetuating slave labor in China so that we could have more iPads.

He was a humanitarian but he was also a businessman, so we can't absolve him of all of the negatives that come with that moniker.

WTF. This is like debating whether Superman can kick Batmans ass while butt-dialing his iPhone.

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I hear they're putting a Cheesecake Factory in Novi, MI.

All I wanted was a Pepsi.

Pepsi and Coke are rapers and pillagers in the business world. Dr. Pepper had more altruistic intents.

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That really freaked me out.......Doooooood...........

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