TattooedCarrot Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 I've heard the term a few times recently, but no idea what it means......do tell?
murkat Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 Neck joint to body area,the laq does mysteriouscolor morphs.the symptom is pretty muchgone now, now that Jol aint there...(ducks)
cmatthes Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 It is a clouding of the finish, usually at the glued-in neck joint area or at the edge of unbound rosewood fingerboards and nuts. In all but a microscopic handful of examples, this only occurred on a number of Mid-to-late '90s Hamers. It seems to have something to do with either moisture under the finish or an adverse reaction between the glue they were using at the time and the clearcoat formula.There's been a lot of internet babble about this, but the term really only applies to the condition above. There are other things that have cropped up on Hamer finishes from time to time, like the infamous "pizza day" fingerprints under the clearcoat. Those seem to be the result of buffing compound on someone's fingers while finishing the guitar and that getting left behind. QC either got remarkably better or they changed some formulas around by the time they moved to New Hartford.Weather checking is not "Hameritis"...it's just "weather checking", like on any other instrument finish.
kevinbower1959 Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 'Hameritis' is also a medical condition I have been diagnosed with - it causes an insatiable and totally uncontrollable urge to reach for my credit card every time a black Standard comes up for sale. It's apparently incurable
cmatthes Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 'Hameritis' is also a medical condition I have been diagnosed with - it causes an insatiable and totally uncontrollable urge to reach for my credit card every time a black Standard comes up for sale. It's apparently incurable I've heard rumors about a 12-step program, but don't know that it has a very high success rate...
Kurt L Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 Here's an example on my '97 Artist Custom. It's no big deal - don't let it turn you off to an otherwise great guitar.
atquinn Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 I've seen Hameritis on a fair amount of Hamers made after 2000 as well. Just around the neck joint, not on the sides of the neck (the only place I find it annoying). I think it's an inevitable result of the way they build guitars.-Austin
BlueRedWhite Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 It's "Hameritis" I think have it even on my duotone, is ok. I'm not sure, so correct me if i'm wrong, i think that there was a time that it was detrimental to the price of the guitar..is it still the case?? CMatthes, Atquinn some light on this? It certainly might look worrisome, but it's not. Could it be corrected? We should change it to Hameritus, it sounds less scary now... a "Hamerniac" is a guy (or gal) that is approaching a hostility zone within the marital status by buying too many Hamers Some of us achieve this by presenting it as a one of a kind opportunity on HFC, or by buying Hamers on ebay after a wonderful tequila night (or the liquor of your choice), or by hiding it till Xmas and announcing now that you're saving the money for it. (roughly 6 months, is OK, it works for stiletto shoes too) Any means are justifiable. Hamers are awesome guitars. PS: i love you, HFC enablers and hamerniacs
veatch Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 Every guitar i've had with Hameritis has sounded phenomenal. I'm convinced it adds to the tone somehow. As a matter of fact, if you look closely, it kind of looks like butter. "Buttery Hameritis Mojo". That's going in my next for sale post. Yes sir. I like it...
tbonesullivan Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 I believe it was caused by a the glue that was used , or something like that. It is simply the separation and lifting of the finish slightly off the body. Without a physical bond to the wood, it changes to its REAL color. If it really bugs you, you can always take a fine syringe and squirt some glue or clear coat under it and it'll go away. I have also seen this kind of finish lifting on other guitars, and it can also happen if you get a ding on the guitar. The wood get a slight dent but the finish bounces back, pulling off the wood.
Steve Haynie Posted August 1, 2011 Posted August 1, 2011 I thought Hameritis referred to the lifting of the finish on the edges of the fretboard as well as the heel joint.
seeker Posted August 1, 2011 Posted August 1, 2011 I thought Hameritis referred to the lifting of the finish on the edges of the fretboard as well as the heel joint.That too. I've get a wee bit of discoloration on the neck joint of my 03 Studio.Oddly enough, recently saw the term used in an ebay listing for a used McNaught, with pics. Correct usage. Wonder if that was someone from this board, or if it's slowly diffusing thru the cork-sniffing cult . . .
cmatthes Posted August 1, 2011 Posted August 1, 2011 I thought Hameritis referred to the lifting of the finish on the edges of the fretboard as well as the heel joint. See post # 3 above...
crunchee Posted August 1, 2011 Posted August 1, 2011 It's "Hameritis" I think have it even on my duotone, is ok. I'm not sure, so correct me if i'm wrong, i think that there was a time that it was detrimental to the price of the guitar..is it still the case?? Only if I'm buying and someone else is selling. I'm kidding...it doesn't bother me at all on a Hamer, it just comes with the territory. The exception to that rule would be if it was spreading massively or the finish was physically peeling off...which I've very rarely seen. I once saw a 70's Strat with the original natural finish, the finish was peeling and separating so badly off the body that it made it look like it had mange.
HSB0531 Posted August 1, 2011 Posted August 1, 2011 "Buttery Hameritis Mojo". That's going in my next for sale post. Yes sir. I like it...
Hamer Dave Posted May 26, 2012 Posted May 26, 2012 Nonetheless, I think it looks terrible. So either the glue, or moisture? No one has nailed it. I've got it on a few 90's, 00's. Appears to get worse over time.
cmatthes Posted May 26, 2012 Posted May 26, 2012 Nonetheless, I think it looks terrible. So either the glue, or moisture? No one has nailed it. I've got it on a few 90's, 00's. Appears to get worse over time.Nobody has nailed it, because the cause hasn't been 100% conclusively determined. As far as getting worse over time...not really - usually, it stabilizes/stops rather than deteriorating further, although since it is probably a chemical reaction of some sort, nobody can say with certainty.
tbonesullivan Posted May 26, 2012 Posted May 26, 2012 I've got 2 93s with none, except on the sides of the nut, which is graphite, so the finish doesn't really stick anyway. I had two eclipses (now one eclipse) from the same era that had it on both sides of the neck. It starts at the edge of the finishing on the fretboard, and then proceeds outward. It may be from shrinkage of the finish, but from what I had heard, as I said before, the glue used may have had some kind of repellant effect on the finish, causing it to lose the bond to the wood.guitar finishes are strange creatures, and can react to certain things strangely. Heritage guitars had to stop using all-black body binding, because for some reason the finish would crack all along the edge of it about 2 months after the guitar was done. They think the company that supplies the binding may have changed the formula, or something. cream, white, and multi-ply binding aren't effected at all.Anyway, hameritis is a cosmetic issue ONLY. My hamers all play so good they could be pea soup green for all I care. I'd still play them.
burningyen Posted May 29, 2012 Posted May 29, 2012 I wonder if there is some kind of solvent in the glue that continues to evaporate over time and that causes the finish to unbind from the wood.
django49 Posted May 29, 2012 Posted May 29, 2012 'Hameritis' is also a medical condition I have been diagnosed with - it causes an insatiable and totally uncontrollable urge to reach for my credit card every time a black Standard comes up for sale. It's apparently incurable I've heard rumors about a 12-step program, but don't know that it has a very high success rate... Tried the 12 steps. By the time I bought the 12th Hamer, I was considerably lighter in the wallet......
mudshark Posted May 29, 2012 Posted May 29, 2012 If the finish uses a catalyst, it's possible that the material wasn't properly sweated (a period to let the catalyst activate the finish), and it had the effect of separating in the fold of the joint.
Caddie Posted May 29, 2012 Posted May 29, 2012 I consider a touch of Hameritis to be a proof birthmark, a Certificate of Authenticity for a Hamer USA. No Hameritis = no Hamer. Worst case of Hameritis I've ever seen A little Hameritus on a '97 Standard...
serial Posted May 29, 2012 Posted May 29, 2012 Jol had nothing to do with Hameritis.My assumption has always been that it was the glue used for the neck joint.
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