tafkathundernotes Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 What about artists like Europe and Gary Glitter with their continued profound effect on sporting events?
jisham Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Raises a point: Which incarnation of VH goes into the Hall? Kinda like does Clemens use the Yankees, Red Sox, or Astros uniform? In order to qualify for the R&R HOF, you have to release an album 25+ years ago. Sammy and Gary don't qualify by that standard. Sammy's had the longest tenure of all of them. Gary's stint may be he only way in the hall since Extreme will likely never get a pass in. Agreed that the in-fighting could be almost as comical as when the band was paraded ot with DLR on MTV when he 'rejoined'.According to the HOF news release, Van Halen "inductees" are EVH, Alex, DLR, Michael Anthony and Sammy Hagar.
serial Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Nothing defines "fifteen Seconds of fame" better than those two.
DavidE Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 I wasted $15.00 and went to the R$R hall of shame a couple years ago, was there less than an hour. Should have gone to the science center next door. Went to the Hard Rock for dinner that night and sat by the Kiss memorabilia and saw more interesting stuff and got a burger.I was a charter member. I enjoyed it for a year. Frankly, the films are the best part and most people don't bother to see them.I took my son's high school class there this year and frankly we were ALL bored to tears. Something there needs to change.
cmatthes Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 My old drummer's band played at the Fortune Magazine "Battle of the Corporate Bands" there in '04 and '05. I tagged along, but although there are some cool things there, overall it was kind of a letdown. I agree that I've seen more interesting stuff in a couple of the Hard Rock Cafes around the world than there. Even the gift shop is pretty boring - it looks like it was lifted right out of a Tower Records store, except for the line ropes.I did enjoy a coupla beers with our own Johnny Thunders upstairs, so it wasn't ALL bad!!
RobB Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Something there needs to change.Indeed. They should start with a wrecking ball followed by a coupla tons of TNT.The HOF is a friggin' JOKE. Music ain't sports. There's gotta be a better reason to visit Cleveland, right?
Willie G. Moseley Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 As far as Grand Funk's "ticket", I wasn't much of a fan when the band was in their prime. The only album of theirs I had was the first live album, which came close to rivaling KICK OUT THE JAMS as the most brutal live album ever recorded (this was about a decade before NO SLEEP 'TIL HAMMERSMITH, however).GFR was a platinum-selling band for a number of years, and had a large fan base. GFR sold out Shea Stadium faster than the Beatles, and a documentary indicates that the stands were actually in danger of collapsing due to the fans' stomping.GFR opened for Led Zeppelin, and blew the Englishsters offstage much to Peter Grant's consternation.It would be interesting to compare GFR to REM regarding album sales (# of each release sold) and # of hit singles (and chart positions and longevity of each).This is not to say REM is less-deserving of such corpulent, hype-laden, dubious enshrinement, but Halls of Fame ought to be egalitarian, and criteria should include results, so GFR's accomplishments would merit such inclusion. However, the band was never a critics' favorite, and ignoring them nowadays just illuminates yet again the bottom-line snobbery that is still typical of rock journalism. I wonder how many critics are frustrated musicians themselves....
serial Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Some of the info I found was:GFR had 10 top 40 singles, including 2 #1 hits and two more top 5 hits among those ten. No #1 albums, but one #2 (American Band). 12 albums went gold, but I couldn't find more detailed info as to whether any of those reached platinum status-I imagine at least two did (the "Red" album went platinum in 1991 and "Am Band" HAD to be at least platinum).REM was not a band that put out singles until 1987 and even then, somewhat reluctantly, but they managed three #1 singles (I'm also sure that it was far less "reluctantly" at that point)-I couldn't get a number on total top 40 singles, but I suspect it is close to GFRs. They also had two #1 albums and two #2 albums out of five Top 5 LPs.REM had three 4xPlatinum albums; two double platinum albums, two platinum albums and six gold albums, so my guess would be that for total units, REM probably exceeds GFR by a good bit.
RobB Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 I wonder how many critics are frustrated musicians themselves.... Prolly most of 'em. I thought I heard DLR quip once: "Critics like Elvis Costello because they all LOOK like Elvis Costello."
mudshark Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 I like NRBQ, but I don't think that they deserve to be in the HOF any more than a million other good bands since I don't see them as really being that noteworthy (other than being around forever) in the general musical landscape. Some that I think should get in, but never will include Cheap Trick (who have been listed as the chief inspiration for more musicians of the 90s then anyone else), Ted Nugent (love him or hate him), ELO, the Cars (who really MADE new wave and sold millions of records in the process), Judas Priest, Sabbath/Ozzy and the Cure.I think that if you look at NRBQ's entire body of work, it dwarfs a lot of the RR HOF inductees - that said, I also believe that everyone has their own idea of who ought to be inducted, and the age of the beholder probably has much to do with that. For example, I don't see the Cars, Cheap Trick ELO, Nugent or the Cure as all that influential. Nugent's better known for his grilling tapes than his music these days. On the other had, I'd say Little Feat has an immense body of work and immense influence and hasn't seemed to merit induction. It also seems to me that insufficient attention has been paid to the pioneers of the '50s, with Billy Lee Riley and Johnny Burnette furnishing prime examples.Seems the HOF is more of a commercial success kind of thing.
Steve Haynie Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 What has Patti Smith done? If it were not for an appearance on SNL and seeing her pictures in Creem, I would never have heard of her. Can anyone think of a song she did? How many albums did she sell?
kenjones Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 I wonder how many critics are frustrated musicians themselves.... Prolly most of 'em. I thought I heard DLR quip once: "Critics like Elvis Costello because they all LOOK like Elvis Costello." I wonder how many people that complain about the HOF are just jealous that they themselves will never be in there - or for that matter were never in a successful rock band. Me on the other hand - I'm in there - or at least a picture of my (unsuccessful) band was in there inside a Spin magazine in a HUGE exhibit on rock 'n roll journalism... or at least it was a few years ago... they've probably changed out the exhibit by now... you couldn't actually OPEN the magazine and see my picture... it was an ad for Bud Dry beer... yes we were corporate sell-outs, but at least we weren't sponsored by a product we didn't use or believe in!
RobB Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 I wonder how many people that complain about the HOF are just jealous that they themselves will never be in there - or for that matter were never in a successful rock band.Ken, if you actually believe that you're probably as naive as that kid with the Scott Baio haircut in your sig!
Rockola Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 What has Patti Smith done? If it were not for an appearance on SNL and seeing her pictures in Creem, I would never have heard of her. Can anyone think of a song she did? How many albums did she sell?A cover of a Springsteen song.....that's it. I've never heard or read anyone mention Patti Smith as influential or inspirational. That makes as much sense as Patti Smyth being in the HOF.And still, the band who single-handedly killed the flower power movement is absent.
elduave Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 I stand corrected on the acid-washed jeans/spandex thing. Having never owned either, I see their place in the fashion HOF as being visited slightly less than the Member's Only jacket. You HAD to have had one of those! Seems like Copper should be chiming in here? Did he ever come back after the politico stuff?
BTMN Posted January 9, 2007 Author Posted January 9, 2007 I stand corrected on the acid-washed jeans/spandex thing. Having never owned either, I see their place in the fashion HOF as being visited slightly less than the Member's Only jacket. You HAD to have had one of those! OOh I get the triple on those fashion statements. I had all three of those kind of products and the obligatory torn Jeans too. Of course, mine were usually just worn out rather than new ones cut to appear torn.
kurtsstuff Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 hehe...wearing a pair of my "Joe Elliot style jeans" today...I think I have about 3-4 pair of em...
kenjones Posted January 9, 2007 Posted January 9, 2007 Patti Smith was awesome on SNL. That was "Candi Slice", wasn't it? Isn't that Paul Schaeffer in the background?
HSB0531 Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Guilda Radner was great.That was such a funny skit.Yep that's Paul S.
BruceM Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 What has Patti Smith done? If it were not for an appearance on SNL and seeing her pictures in Creem, I would never have heard of her. Can anyone think of a song she did? How many albums did she sell? I'll play...just because you were oblivious doesn't mean a small part of the rest of the world wasn't. (meant in jest...we all have our likes and dislikes) I first read about her as she gained notoriety when I was a sophomore at the University of IL in 1975, with her totally bohemian look featuring hairy armpits and her trademark homeliness. She was noted for her poetic leanings long before she became famous as an outlaw rock poseur. (Jesus Christ, was a niggah!) I just learned recently that she collaborated and wrote lyrics with the BOC boys on one of my all-time favorite early 1970's BOC albums, Tyranny and Mutation. What the hell is a dizzbuster, anyway, and why do they scream? I saw Patti Smith for the first time at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago in 1979. It was an amazing show, where she brought down the house. One of my favorite R'n'R memories is Patti literally skipping off the stage beaming after the show as the crowd thundered in the background. My friend Beth and I had cautiously slunk up to the front of the stage to check out this phenom (this was in the Punk days, where you never knew what bodily fluids might be flying). Notable shows at the same venue near the same date were The Tubes, Talking Heads and the Cramps... She married Fred "Sonic" Smith of MC5, and dropped out of sight as she raised a family and then nursed him through his cancer death. She came roaring back (in my eyes) with her 90's albums that featured a newfound insight into life and death. I've seen her 3 times in the last 10 years at First Avenue. One of my favorite concert moments is when I went by myself (hmmm...perhaps that says something there...none of my friends were interested), stood by the front of the stage, and chanted "Eat, Eat" into her mic as she led the audience singalong. This from a woman who was well into her 50's at this point. She was still going strong, and sold out the First Ave main room. I'd see her anywhere. I adore Chrissie Hynde, but Chrissie's a girlie Patti-wannabe.
Brooks Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 back to VH;did y'all see ed's pic on this months guitar world cover?ewww, whata bad plastic surgery job!!
frank_c Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 Some of the info I found was:GFR had 10 top 40 singles, including 2 #1 hits and two more top 5 hits among those ten. No #1 albums, but one #2 (American Band). 12 albums went gold, but I couldn't find more detailed info as to whether any of those reached platinum status-I imagine at least two did (the "Red" album went platinum in 1991 and "Am Band" HAD to be at least platinum).that's nice and everything...but it's supposedly about influence, not sales. how many interviews do you read where the band says they were inspired by GFR? how many kids in bands today even know who Mark Farner is?
Rockola Posted January 10, 2007 Posted January 10, 2007 back to VH; did y'all see ed's pic on this months guitar world cover? ewww, whata bad plastic surgery job!! woah sorry for the size.
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