santellavision Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 I received a notice that Ebay has changed their Feedback rules. In the past, if you were the Buyer and got screwed, you could leave negative feedback. But, the Seller could also do the same. Thus, you would have that negative filed in your feedback record.The new rule says, the Seller cannot retaliate and give you a negative or a neutral, only a positive or Nothing at all. Only Buyers can leave negatives. The reason they gave is... Buyers can now give honest feedback (even if it is bad) without the penalty of the Seller trashing you in return. I like it (being an honest seller) vs. the Scum-suckers out there.
zorrow Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 It looks very fair to me as the honest buyer I mainly am... but what if the buyer DOES screw you as a seller? I mean, there are people who won't pay if they win an auction (so you're forced to relist the item), there are also people who would do false claims against you for a lost or damaged package... How can the seller defend himself in those cases?
atquinn Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 I'm not making a living at eBay, but I've done over 100 transactions without running into a psycho so far. If I do, so what? 1 negative feedback isn't going to scare anyone away from anything I'm auctioning off, and if it does, fuggem.-Austin
MCChris Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 I'm not making a living at eBay, but I've done over 100 transactions without running into a psycho so far. If I do, so what? 1 negative feedback isn't going to scare anyone away from anything I'm auctioning off, and if it does, fuggem.-AustinSadly, it seems hardly anyone shares your attitude. The paralyzing fear people have of getting even one negative is ridiculous. Rape victims are probably less afraid to testify against their attackers than most eBayers are about giving negative feedback where it's warranted. Probably the biggest reason why eBay does in fact suck.
Caddie Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 I'm not making a living at eBay, but I've done over 100 transactions without running into a psycho so far. If I do, so what? 1 negative feedback isn't going to scare anyone away from anything I'm auctioning off, and if it does, fuggem.-AustinSadly, it seems hardly anyone shares your attitude. The paralyzing fear people have of getting even one negative is ridiculous. Rape victims are probably less afraid to testify against their attackers than most eBayers are about giving negative feedback where it's warranted. Probably the biggest reason why eBay does in fact suck.Did you ever go to the old Maxwell St market in Chicago. There is a scene from it in The Blues Bros. movie. The scene with John Lee Hooker.Anyway, for the most part Maxwell St was a Saturday morning bazarr stocked with stolen or hijacked goods of all types, weird & oddball vendors selling all kinds of weird and oddbal stuff, and carts selling the best Polish sausage you ever had. Visualize Marrakech w/o falafel, on the South Side of Chicago. Gypsies, tramps & thieves....and that, IMHO is what eBay has become. The cyber Maxwell St. Buyer AND seller be very, very cautious. YMMV
kurtsstuff Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 I'm not making a living at eBay, but I've done over 100 transactions without running into a psycho so far. If I do, so what? 1 negative feedback isn't going to scare anyone away from anything I'm auctioning off, and if it does, fuggem.-AustinSadly, it seems hardly anyone shares your attitude. The paralyzing fear people have of getting even one negative is ridiculous. Rape victims are probably less afraid to testify against their attackers than most eBayers are about giving negative feedback where it's warranted. Probably the biggest reason why eBay does in fact suck.Did you ever go to the old Maxwell St market in Chicago. There is a scene from it in The Blues Bros. movie. The scene with John Lee Hooker.Anyway, for the most part Maxwell St was a Saturday morning bazarr stocked with stolen or hijacked goods of all types, weird & oddball vendors selling all kinds of weird and oddbal stuff, and carts selling the best Polish sausage you ever had. Visualize Marrakech w/o falafel, on the South Side of Chicago. Gypsies, tramps & thieves....and that, IMHO is what eBay has become. The cyber Maxwell St. Buyer AND seller be very, very cautious. YMMVCRAP!!! now that Cher song is stuck in my head....
tomteriffic Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 I LOVED the Maxwell St. Market. Shady, a little dangerous and a load of fun.
MCChris Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 CRAP!!! now that Cher song is stuck in my head...."Half Breed"?
kurtsstuff Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 CRAP!!! now that Cher song is stuck in my head...."Half Breed"?Bunghole...make that 2 lame ass Cher songs but whats really embarassing??I KNOW THE FRICKEN WORDS!!!!!! lol!!
HamerHokie Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 CRAP!!! now that Cher song is stuck in my head...."Half Breed"?Bunghole...make that 2 lame ass Cher songs but whats really embarassing??I KNOW THE FRICKEN WORDS!!!!!! lol!!Do you know the words to "Dark Lady?"
Camstone Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 I think this is a positive, long overdo change. As far as I am concerned, once a buyer sends his money, he has fulfilled his end of the transaction and should not be in jeopardy of retaliation if the seller jerks you around.I recently purchased a set of luggage on Ebay from a "power seller" to give as a gift. I allowed three weeks from the time the auction closed to the date that I needed to have the gift. I overnighted the money order with a letter that said I had a deadline.Anyway, the guy sat on it, didn't ship for ten days, it had to go across the country and arrived one day late. When I took a look at the feedback for the seller, they always posted their feedback after the buyer's feedback, and if there was a negative, they responded with a negative. So I didn't enter any feedback for the flakey seller. That's BS. I guess I should have looked more closely at the seller's feedback before entering into a transaction with the guy, but when you see four or five digits of feedback transactions, you assume that the seller is not a flake.
veatch Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 I'm not making a living at eBay, but I've done over 100 transactions without running into a psycho so far. If I do, so what? 1 negative feedback isn't going to scare anyone away from anything I'm auctioning off, and if it does, fuggem. Same here. I've done somewhere between 140 and 150 deals there over about 6 years, and no major issues that couldn't be resolved. I do know a couple of folks that do a *lot* of buying/selling/flipping on feeBay, and they say that they run into some unreasonable smack-job about one out of every 100 transactions. In other words, we're both overdue.
DaveL Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 I do know a couple of folks that do a *lot* of buying/selling/flipping on feeBay, and they say that they run into some unreasonable smack-job about one out of every 100 transactions. In other words, we're both overdue. yes you are... I went 250-0-0 and shipped to almost every state and about 5 countries with no issues. I got negged by some idiot who lives 15 miles away from me and had been on ebay exactly two weeks... That said, I don't like the idea of retaliatory feedback at all... some sellers definitely use it as a scare tactic...
Hamer of the gods Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 [Did you ever go to the old Maxwell St market in Chicago. There is a scene from it in The Blues Bros. movie. The scene with John Lee Hooker.Anyway, for the most part Maxwell St was a Saturday morning bazarr stocked with stolen or hijacked goods of all types, weird & oddball vendors selling all kinds of weird and oddbal stuff, and carts selling the best Polish sausage you ever had. Visualize Marrakech w/o falafel, on the South Side of Chicago. Gypsies, tramps & thieves....and that, IMHO is what eBay has become. The cyber Maxwell St. Buyer AND seller be very, very cautious. YMMVI LOVE that scene, the little subtleties in it. Like the guy all dressed up in his polyester shirt and slacks walking away with his newly purchased black & white portable TV!! And of couse Hooker's white patent leather shoes with the "cuban" heel~!
Caddie Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 CRAP!!! now that Cher song is stuck in my head.... "Half Breed"? Bunghole...make that 2 lame ass Cher songs but whats really embarassing?? I KNOW THE FRICKEN WORDS!!!!!! lol!! Do you know the words to "Dark Lady?" If you must lay blame, blame late 60s/early 70s AM radio. Thank God for FM radio. It delivered us from evil. Or was it Al Gore who invented FM?
Brooks Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 sucks they did it NOW, i coulda used it 2-3 months ago when that retard at the pawn shop revenge neg'd me for his crappy shipping job on that champ12 amp. i STILL haven't gotten my money back from the post office, grrrrr.http://www.hamerfanclub.com/forums/index.p...&hl=packing
crunchee Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 I don't sell stuff on Ebay, but I have bought a few items (including guitars) there. I think it's a overdue change, but I get the feeling that sellers are going to be unloading stuff with dealers rather than on Ebay because of this. Why go through all that pain when the dealer can and will? I love reading feedback comments, some sellers AND buyers are flakes, and it's obvious from the descriptions. Only idiots buy/bid on a guitar that has a one sentence description, or has a ton of superlatives (for instance: plays like butter, etc.) with no real description of the guitar. Of course, buying from a dealer is still 'buyer beware' territory, so always make sure they have a return policy.
shesky Posted June 7, 2008 Posted June 7, 2008 I received a notice that Ebay has changed their Feedback rules. In the past, if you were the Buyer and got screwed, you could leave negative feedback. But, the Seller could also do the same. Thus, you would have that negative filed in your feedback record.The new rule says, the Seller cannot retaliate and give you a negative or a neutral, only a positive or Nothing at all. Only Buyers can leave negatives. The reason they gave is... Buyers can now give honest feedback (even if it is bad) without the penalty of the Seller trashing you in return. I like it (being an honest seller) vs. the Scum-suckers out there.+1 I now have 100% feedback again because of a revenge a scumbag gave me is gone. I love the new rules and I would assume the honest people who don't scam will love them also. List your items accurately, pack well and communicate and thats all you really need.sheky
IPlayLoud Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 I like the idea. Unfortunatly I have had EXACTLY that happen to me WAY back when I started on E-Bay. And it really hurt at the time.When you have a few hundred positve posts with say a 100% rating. A single negative really won't make a difference. Though it will ruin your 100% rating.But when your starting out andonly have 10-20 feedbacks? It will knock you below a 97% which E-bay recommends you stay away from when bidding?
Armitage Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 Once the seller has my information, and then my money, he's good to go and to ship.... and leave feedback. But so many sellers send crap then demand you leave positive feedback or they'll leave negative feedback to you. It's about time. It's not perfect, but much better then it was. I shouldn't be held hostage because I paid on time etc.I was checking out some DVDs on ebay yesterday, and a dealer had what I was looking for. I checked his feedback, he had about 500 NEGATIVES in the last month, but thousands of positives before! He's implying factory DVD, but it looks like he's selling copies and now people are free to complain and not get a "third check bounced" negative feedback.
RoyB Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 I personally think the new rule is BS because as a seller I've always left feedback as soon as the buyer paid (as you should), but I've had to leave negitive feedback for guys who did not pay at all or delayed making payment for a long time. I even put in my auctions if you don't pay with in 10 days I will relist. but I still had one guy who whould not answer my e-mails when he won, so after 10 days I relisted it and then he left negitive feedback on me because I "backed out of the sale". By the new rule I can't leave him feedback saying it was him who did not pay. I agree people misused the feature to blackmail buyer into leaving good feedback, but I don't think this is the correct fix.
LordOfTheThighs Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 Roy makes a good point. Cases like his example are totally legit.To echo Armitage ....My issue is that I ALWAYS pay immediately with PayPal. I uphold my endof the deal as soon as I make the decision to buy.Then I get an email saying that I need to leave positive feedback first, and THEN they'llleave positive feedback for me. Excuse me, but I've already shown my integrity by completingmy end of the bargain from the get-go.It's just so that those type of sellers can crap on your feedback if THEY don't fulfill their end, whenyou ring them up on their feedback.I like Ebay. Lots of good deals if you play your cards right.
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