BadgerDave Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 The master of the relic boltneck world himself, Bill Nash. Bill just bought my '80 B&C Sunburst on Reverb. Based on two brief e-mails, he seems like a great guy.
Steve Haynie Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 Is he doing research for his own take on Gibson LP Specials?
Hamerica Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 21 minutes ago, BadgerDave said: The master of the relic boltneck world himself, Bill Nash. Bill just bought my '80 B&C Sunburst on Reverb. Based on two brief e-mails, he seems like a great guy. Hey BadgerDave, That is great! Get Bill to post a tone report and on the HFC! Congrats on the sale! Hamerica
Biz Prof Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 32 minutes ago, BadgerDave said: The master of the relic boltneck world himself, Bill Nash. I guess I will be the one to ask the dumb question: Does Nash source his parts from a supplier like Warmoth and then focus on the assembly and finishing (a la Crook or Hoover-era Zion), craft from scratch (a la Shiskov USA or Gil Yaron), or a combination of the two (a la Ron Kirn)?
kizanski Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, Biz Prof said: Does Nash source his parts from a supplier like Warmoth and then focus on the assembly and finishing...? Yes.
django49 Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 It might be worth noting that Bill Nash also does a more limited number of guitars where he buys or borrows genuine (original) instruments, then remakes/refinishes/relics them. Case in point, the Gibson Les Paul goldtop I recently sold here. I talked to one person that has an ES-335 that received the same treatment and said it was his favorite guitar ever. (I have not tried one and am too conservative to send him my 335, but it has crossed my mind). It may be interesting to hear whether he has a plan for the Hamer. But there are probably more economical ways of proceeding if he wants to start a new Hamer product line.
kizanski Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, django49 said: ...there are probably more economical ways of proceeding if he wants to start a new Hamer product line. Maybe THIS is the new Hamer USA iteration we've heard tale about!
BadgerDave Posted February 2, 2017 Author Posted February 2, 2017 Wouldn't it be funny if, after getting the Sunburst, Bill complained because it isn't "mint and pristine"?
RobB Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 Yes, it makes perfect sense to buy a $3k Hamer, relic it and sell it for $2.1k. I wish Bill well on his new business venture.
kizanski Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 22 minutes ago, BadgerDave said: Wouldn't it be funny if, after getting the Sunburst, Bill complained because it isn't "mint and pristine"? Followed by an email which begged the question, "Why did you lie about the condition of the guitar?"
HSB0531 Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, RobB said: Yes, it makes perfect sense to buy a $3k Hamer, relic it and sell it for $2.1k. I wish Bill well on his new business venture. This^^^^ And it would be a loss to us if he did indeed relic that Hamer, or in fact, any Hamer USA model. My opinion only: I don't like deliberate relic'ng of any guitar or bass. I like the slow method, the natural long term wearing of the finish, the nicks, chips and dings that have a historical reference to a smoky bar, a stadium stage, and not the edge of a grinding wheel or the dragmarks of pavement. Im biased towards conserving any Hamer USA guitar that is in pristine, good, or salvageable condition.
BadgerDave Posted February 3, 2017 Author Posted February 3, 2017 i didn't ask, but I doubt that he has any plans to do a relic job on the Hamer. I suspect Bill has a nice collection of very well cared for guitars.
cynic Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 8 hours ago, HSB0531 said: My opinion only: I don't like deliberate relic'ng of any guitar or bass. I like the slow method, the natural long term wearing of the finish, the nicks, chips and dings that have a historical reference to a smoky bar, a stadium stage, and not the edge of a grinding wheel or the dragmarks of pavement. Im biased towards conserving any Hamer USA guitar that is in pristine, good, or salvageable condition. I don't mine the deliberate relic jobs, but I find it odd that people charge/pay extra for them. I do find the relic sales ads amusing when the ever present "mint" and "as new" are included in the descriptions. It's as if the belief is that the relic job will forever negate any amount of future damage.
Boomerang~Junkie Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 11 hours ago, BadgerDave said: The master of the relic boltneck world himself, Bill Nash. Bill just bought my '80 B&C Sunburst on Reverb. Based on two brief e-mails, he seems like a great guy. All clowning aside, that's pretty dang cool!
FrettyMcgee Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 11 hours ago, RobB said: Yes, it makes perfect sense to buy a $3k Hamer, relic it and sell it for $2.1k. I wish Bill well on his new business venture. How can he do it? Volume. Make it up in volume. http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/first-citywide-change-bank/n9701?snl=1 (the geo lock for old SNL skits suuuucks)
cmatthes Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 23 hours ago, kizanski said: Followed by an email which begged the question, "Why did you lie about the condition of the guitar?"
MCChris Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 23 hours ago, kizanski said: Followed by an email which begged the question, "Why did you lie about the condition of the guitar?" 34 minutes ago, cmatthes said: One of the all-time classic HFC dust-ups. Sadly, preventative measures were not taken to preserve it in its original state.
HSB0531 Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 16 hours ago, cynic said: I don't mine the deliberate relic jobs, but I find it odd that people charge/pay extra for them. I do find the relic sales ads amusing when the ever present "mint" and "as new" are included in the descriptions. It's as if the belief is that the relic job will forever negate any amount of future damage. I'm glad you mentioned people paying extra for a relic' look. I would think these people might want to look for a used guitar that has been well worn and pay less. Buying a relic'd guitar means it has a sort of "pre-added wear and damage". Wouldnt that limit its life? Im basing this comment on pre-rusted metal parts and exposed wood that could be susceptible to a greater amount of humidity. on a humorous maybe Orwellian prediction, I have an idea for a new relic option. Relic Series 2: Dirty pots option. Intermitant jack option. Scratchy p/u selector Cold solder joint option Bent tuner option Rusty tuners option. Cigarette burn option. Bloody bridge option. Gouged fret option.
T-51Fred Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 E Clapton says that when he was looking for a new guitar he always looked for one that was heavily used and they never disappointed him. Sadly, Hamers don't increase in value the more they are abused. Take good care of them!
veatch Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 19 hours ago, HSB0531 said: I'm glad you mentioned people paying extra for a relic' look. I would think these people might want to look for a used guitar that has been well worn and pay less. Buying a relic'd guitar means it has a sort of "pre-added wear and damage". Wouldnt that limit its life? Im basing this comment on pre-rusted metal parts and exposed wood that could be susceptible to a greater amount of humidity. on a humorous maybe Orwellian prediction, I have an idea for a new relic option. Relic Series 2: Dirty pots option. Intermitant jack option. Scratchy p/u selector Cold solder joint option Bent tuner option Rusty tuners option. Cigarette burn option. Bloody bridge option. Gouged fret option. You missed headstock repair.
Jakeboy Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 Cigarette burn option is already quite popular on the Artist-specific relic jobs......EVH, Clapton, Page, etc. ...but that list IS hilarious!
kizanski Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 19 hours ago, HSB0531 said: I would think these people might want to look for a used guitar that has been well worn and pay less. Buying a relic'd guitar means it has a sort of "pre-added wear and damage". If those guitars were affordable by even a fraction of the guitar-buying public, builders like Nash wouldn't have a prayer of selling enough to keep the lights on. The majority of the guitars he and the like are emulating have ascended to unreachable heights for most people. They play like they're "broken in," they looks cool as hell and they're affordable. It makes perfect sense, and I think his success supports that.
Biz Prof Posted February 4, 2017 Posted February 4, 2017 35 minutes ago, kizanski said: If those guitars were affordable by even a fraction of the guitar-buying public, builders like Nash wouldn't have a prayer of selling enough to keep the lights on. The majority of the guitars he and the like are emulating have ascended to unreachable heights for most people. They play like they're "broken in," they looks cool as hell and they're affordable. It makes perfect sense, and I think his success supports that. I agree. Stonewashed jeans (not acid-washed, mind you) have sold consistently well for three decades now, and it ain't all about the look. I think there is a perceived utility in tactile effects of relicing that a lot of buyers seek.
gorch Posted February 5, 2017 Posted February 5, 2017 16 hours ago, veatch said: Cold solder joint option This would be my go-to option. Love it!
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