elduave Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 I'm decidedly meh about it. Robin Zander on vox: Oops, Dragon.
Disturber Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 No, its is actually "Dragins", they just spelled it wrong to mess with our minds.It sounds like Cheap Trick jamming with Ozzy Osbournes backing band.I'm not a big fan of when the whole mix is compressed to death like this - it gives me ear fatigue - the loudness wars thing - but it gets a popier feeling when Robin's signing. And the vocals are mixed very loud on top of everything, not drowned down in the mix. So sounds pretty okay to me. Doubt that I will buy the album though, not my thing.
zorrow Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 I don't dislike it, but I don't like it enough to buy the album.
tommy p Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 It's OK, but I'll need to hear more before purchase.
elduave Posted November 22, 2013 Author Posted November 22, 2013 I'm less meh on 2nd listen, and we'll see what the record brings.
coolfeel Posted November 22, 2013 Posted November 22, 2013 It seemed pretty cool - I like Zander on this actually...Some of my guitar buddies are really into it... I agree with Disturber though, the mix is a bit shitty for my tastes...
Hamerica Posted November 22, 2013 Posted November 22, 2013 ...It sounds like Cheap Trick jamming with Ozzy Osbournes backing band.I'm less meh on 2nd listen, and we'll see what the record brings.I pretty much like anything that Robin does. Disturber hit it on the head. Definitely not badlands. Hamerica
cmatthes Posted November 23, 2013 Posted November 23, 2013 Too mushy of a mix for me. If that had been less processed/less produced, it could have kicked significantly more ass.
RobB Posted November 23, 2013 Posted November 23, 2013 Too mushy of a mix for me. If that had been less processed/less produced, it could have kicked significantly more ass.Yes. I tweaked it a bit with VLC player EQ, but, to be fair, I would like to hear the full, uncompressed track cranked. I like the idea of this band. Lots of talent here, but the mix didn't do Jake any favors.Think I'll buy the cd and see if it sticks on the wall...
MCChris Posted November 23, 2013 Posted November 23, 2013 Too mushy of a mix for me. If that had been less processed/less produced, it could have kicked significantly more ass.Yes. I tweaked it a bit with VLC player EQ, but, to be fair, I would like to hear the full, uncompressed track cranked. I like the idea of this band. Lots of talent here, but the mix didn't do Jake any favors.Think I'll buy the cd and see if it sticks on the wall...Yeah, don't expect proper quality from a YouTube clip.Like Rob, I'll probably take a flyer on this when it comes out. Same with the Lynch/Pinnick/Lazier thing.
carfish7 Posted November 23, 2013 Posted November 23, 2013 Put me in the "meh" camp as well. I dig Jake's playing, but agree the modern "mix" (mash?) is tiring and the sounds all become indistinct.Of course, I may be officially a grumpy old man at this point, so........
coolfeel Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Robin sounds awesome to me especially considering his age...
RobB Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Robin sounds awesome to me especially considering his age...Totally agree. Most rock fans don't cite Zander as being "up there" with the pantheon of rock vocalists (Stewart, Rodgers, Ann Wilson, Mercury, Marriott, et. al...), but I think he is, hands down, one of the greats. He can scream, croon, sing ballads and do great harmonies.Not too shabby a songwriter, either.
coolfeel Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 He is definitely overlooked in those conversations which is a shame...
bubs_42 Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Cheap Trick as a whole is as well. But part of that is how they present themselves.
Ting Ho Dung Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Too mushy of a mix for me. If that had been less processed/less produced, it could have kicked significantly more ass.There seems to be a lot of that going on now. A product of the computer age?
Disturber Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Too mushy of a mix for me. If that had been less processed/less produced, it could have kicked significantly more ass.There seems to be a lot of that going on now. A product of the computer age?Yes, definately. You sit there infront of the monitor and move stuff around. It's too easy. Usually not for the better. Ahh, that snare hit is 0.00002% off, let move it. Lets quantisise the whole track.I listened again and it sounds like its done with Guitar Hero in mind. I like it more organic most of the time.
bubs_42 Posted December 21, 2013 Posted December 21, 2013 Sampled the whole album Via iTunes. I'm digging it, some really good stuff. I can take or leave the live performance though. I would like to see Jake Live.
Biz Prof Posted December 21, 2013 Posted December 21, 2013 Not necessarily top-shelf, legend-making material, but I really like it compared to nearly all of the contemporary hard rock stuff being released now. Jake sounds laid back on this track, and I think that fits Robin's vocal style. I actually found the guitar and vocal elements far superior to everything else in the mix (seems to be a common convention of ProTools users).Gotta say, Ozzy did well in choosing Jake, even though their partnership only lasted two albums. The guy has great blues metal chops, a blistering tone, and was almost refreshing in the wake of Randy's death. Hell, who else had the stones to rely solely on a 70s hardtail Strat and an SG junior during the height of hair metal? Zakk and Gus, on the other hand, while technically strong, have (IMHO) added little worth remembering to the Ozzy pantheon.Look forward to hearing more of this release.
The Shark Posted December 21, 2013 Posted December 21, 2013 My buddy Ian Anderson saw the band live recently. He only had positive things to say. But others said the singer is an idiot and he nearly ruined the show. Ian said Darren James Smith is actually very good and didn't have nearly enough practice time with the touring list. He talked to Jake afterword. Jake said judging the singer so soon was a mistake. Also, Ian said Jake's tone and execution was way better than on That Metal Show. He was using the three channel EVH 5150.
elduave Posted December 21, 2013 Author Posted December 21, 2013 jake is suffering from inadequate prep in two documented instances now. He blew it on that metal show. I wonder if he even attempted a think through of his segments. he oversaw live show prep in perhaps a rushed fashion and made some bad choices (and I'm not suggesting that hiring the singer was necessarily one of them).Not ready for prime time, but certainly worth a listen,,and rooting for him. They should work in some beggars and thieves songs.
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