Michael_B Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I went to check out the listing, but missed it. How much was DGS asking?
kenjones Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I am not on Facebook so I can't see what Jol wrote but I would be interested if anyone could give me the Cliff Notes version....It's actually from a Premiere Guitar article that Jol reposted to his Facebook page: http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19520-esoterica-electrica-degrees-of-separation---the-yin-and-yang-of-creating-a-limited-edition-guitar
mirrorimij Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I am not on Facebook so I can't see what Jol wrote but I would be interested if anyone could give me the Cliff Notes version....It's actually from a Premiere Guitar article that Jol reposted to his Facebook page: http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19520-esoterica-electrica-degrees-of-separation---the-yin-and-yang-of-creating-a-limited-edition-guitarThank you. Good article. It looks like the dealers were the driving force for the TT's. I always thought the TT's were a natural evolution of the Les Paul project from years before.
BadgerDave Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I've owned three of them and currently have this one: which was purchased from an HFC member. IMO, these are the finest guitars Hamer ever made. Yes, I wish they would have gone with crown inlays, but that's a slight distraction. Like pointy knees on a supermodel. Referencing Jol's comments, I haven't noticed any tuning issues due to the increased headstock angle. As I've said before, my favorite feature is the neck profile, which is much different from any other Hamer model. Not only thicker at the nut, but much thicker from the 12th fret through the body joint. IMO, this results in a much beefier tone for upper register soloing.
Disturber Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Ouch As I've said before, my favorite feature is the neck profile, which is much different from any other Hamer model. Not only thicker at the nut, but much thicker from the 12th fret through the body joint. IMO, this results in a much beefier tone for upper register soloing. Ouch, I love the Hamer necks so much just because they have the Hamer profile(s). No Gibby I have ever played, but one old 60's SG, have had the same great necks. The Hamer necks just work for my hands. Especially the mid 90's ones and 70's ones. I've heard that the Tally Pro's also have really huge necks. So, I guess they are not for me either....
Studio Custom Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I'm surprised Jol agreed to do the T3, given it went against everything he had developed in his Hamer models. Jol's claim to fame is as an innovator, the T3 tosses those innovations aside. Odd.
cynic Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I'm surprised Jol agreed to do the T3, given it went against everything he had developed in his Hamer models. Jol's claim to fame is as an innovator, the T3 tosses those innovations aside. Odd.Which means claiming the TT as a favorite is an insult to the brand! It's the antiHamer!!
django49 Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Reminds me that the TT was described as a "big neck that just happens to have a guitar attached" Or something similar.It is the odd man out compared to the more typical Hamer neck. Surprised me because with smaller hands/fingers I was inclined to look for something with less of a neck. But it feels really good to me. And with the upgraded pups, SOUNDS really good to me. But then I have been on a sorta Les Paul (ish) kick lately.
coolfeel Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 My Tally Pro, and Tally, have really nice necks, different than any other Hamer I have owned due to the V shape. The neck on the Pro is huge and the guitar just has a really thick and beefy tone. It is my main studio guitar.The Dantzig model will have a single piece Korina neck and it should be pretty big - I asked that it be modeled after the Tally Pro. The single piece neck was Jol's idea after we discussed the goal of achieving the best tone and sustain for the guitar.
cmatthes Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I am not on Facebook so I can't see what Jol wrote but I would be interested if anyone could give me the Cliff Notes version....No head scratching required on the TT? Several years earlier, Frank Rindone wanted Hamer to build their version of the 1959 Les Paul Historic. He acquired a very good example of a 59 reissue and sent it to New Hartford. We autopsied the Gibson and copied the body exactly. We even copied a few things unintentionally. I remember running into some trouble routing the jack because of the limitations of the length of the cutter I was using. I showed Jol the bottom of the rout and some of the wood remained on about half of the circle. It was enough to get the wire through but we had a culture of sweating the small stuff so I wanted to order a longer cutter to get everything just right. We went back to his office to get out the cutter catalog. We also took a look at the Gibson we were copying. It had the exact same wood remaining in the exact same spot. Jol smiled and told me to leave it like it was. I don't think he or Frank U fully supported the idea of a direct copy.When the guitar was finished, everyone gathered for the sound test. It looked good, sounded good. But in a direct A/B comparison it did not sound like the 59 reissue we copied. We talked about the construction differences, the one piece neck, the headstock angle, etc. Fast forward a few years later (I left Hamer by then) and Jol went 180 degrees on the project. Instead of making it look like a Les Paul and constructing like a Hamer, he made it look like a Hamer but constructed it like a. Les Paul.Damn fine guitars and everyone should be very proud of them. I always thought those odd, outside of the box models were what made Hamer such an interesting company.If only there had been an all Korina version...
TBP Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 As an aside, I've noticed that Dave's used pricing is typically a pretty good reflection of the market (ie, priced to sell but not give away). Lately they've been asking more for US Hamers. The general used market still appears to be rough, but maybe the days of Hamers being absurdly underpriced compared to other guitars is over.
ib2010 Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I let a TT go a while back, wish i still had it. I like big necks, and have no issues switching between a variety of necks. That said, the TT took several minuets to acclimate to. If i played it as a primary, i could do fine, but it was quite "different". BIG, from one end to the other.
Northsider Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Mine. Nice! You picked it up? Nope, not from Dave's.
sonny o'hoolighan Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 I'm usually not a fan of bigger necks on a guitar, but every so often it can work. I had my eye on this guitar for the day or two it was for sale, so I'm glad this conversation came up.How would the neck on these compare to those on the Monaco IIIs? I remember the neck on my M3 (before I sold it) being on the overly thick side.Ah well. Perhaps an EM Studio will come up for sale one of these days.
hamer_sunburst Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 How does a TT compare to a good R9? For the kind of cash one get an (good) R9 as well!
Michael_B Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Can you? I thought clean, used R9s were closer to $4k.
django49 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 There was a fantastic R9 on another site (think PRS-related) recently. Maybe the best top I have ever seen on any Gibson LP. A 2014 which are reputedly the best ever reissues.Tugged at me strongly, esp when the price got below $4400. And from a guy I have acquired two very excellent guitars from already. But with the Orca 59 and Private Stock McCarty Single Cut in tow, I just had to beg off.I have heard way too many stories about the "iffy-ness" of the Gibson reissues to want to be buying one on the come. I once owned two Triple Threats (like 1/15 of the total production run) and the one I still have just might be the last Hamer I will ever cut loose. (I DO think that is saying something, given some other pieces hanging around).There IS a reason they sold so quickly. YMMV, etc.
hamer_sunburst Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Well I know a TT is an awesome guitar, but how does it compare sonically to a Gibson Les Paul Historic (may it be an R7, I don't care about the top so much here, but rather about the SOUND).
django49 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 IMO, it is in that same ballpark. Much more so than other Hamers. Even better if the stock pickups have been upgraded. Not so much of an open question as a Gibson (buying one unseen/unplayed) as to whether it is a "good one". (The usual Gibson refrain....."I played through racks of them to find one that was good enough").For better or worse, the prices on such as the R7 and R8 do generally drop off quite a bit from the "status symbol" of the R9.
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