killerteddybear Posted June 8, 2020 Posted June 8, 2020 The essential question is: How much of a shitstorm is this topic creating on The Gear Page? 🤣
burningyen Posted June 8, 2020 Posted June 8, 2020 I'm going to steer clear of the politics, but in other news: https://www.gearnews.com/has-fender-sacked-custom-shop-master-builder-john-cruz/
killerteddybear Posted June 8, 2020 Posted June 8, 2020 Now might be a good time to craft an online alias that nothing to do with your real life.
Pieman Posted June 9, 2020 Posted June 9, 2020 Two Decembers ago, Fulltone had a Christmas Sale, not a Holiday Sale. I sent an email to Mike and said I found that was a refreshing approach. He wrote back and said something like: "Hey, it's my company." We then went back and forth about the Mas Malo and the OCD and I bought an OCD.
FGJ Posted June 9, 2020 Posted June 9, 2020 While I think people should be free to express even unpopular ideas without the threat of cancel culture affecting them, I'm glad this forum doesn't get too far into issues that foment bad feelings. Lord knows people already get their panties in a twist because because I prefer dot inlays over boomerangs.
RobB Posted June 9, 2020 Posted June 9, 2020 10 hours ago, LucSulla said: I don't know how big Fulltone is, but I'm sure he's not the only one working there. Him deciding to go all alpha dog on social media probably just took food off some tables that would have been there otherwise, and all in the pursuit of what exactly? Fuller has been running a one-man shop since mid-March, his staff furloughed.
diablo175 Posted June 9, 2020 Author Posted June 9, 2020 8 hours ago, FGJ said: While I think people should be free to express even unpopular ideas without the threat of cancel culture affecting them, I'm glad this forum doesn't get too far into issues that foment bad feelings. Lord knows people already get their panties in a twist because because I prefer dot inlays over boomerangs. Heathen.
Studio Custom Posted June 9, 2020 Posted June 9, 2020 In a polarized political system it wise to keep your views private, especially if stating them will alienate half of your customer base. Since musical people tend to be more liberally minded, he may have alienated 80%.
Drew816 Posted June 9, 2020 Posted June 9, 2020 21 hours ago, killerteddybear said: The essential question is: How much of a shitstorm is this topic creating on The Gear Page? 🤣 I don't think this one has hit TGP yet, we're all still hung up on the Cruz firing... Or I'm just not paying enough attention and missed it; which is good! Overall yeah, there's a bit of over-reaction here and absolutely abhorrent statements or memes there and the irony is none of it's "necessary." The only thing you're guaranteed to do is piss somebody off! EDIT: FOUND IT, great stuff! 😉 TGP Fulltone Thread...
mrjamiam Posted June 9, 2020 Posted June 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Drew816 said: EDIT: FOUND IT, great stuff! 😉 TGP Fulltone Thread... It didn't come up for me, but I'm not a member. I expect that this is part of the evolution of our society and learning how to use new-ish and evolving channels of communication. Before too long, maybe, it will become an ingrained skill to consider "Should I go on this or that social media platform and wave red flags in front of bulls of indeterminate mental capacity, and what do I expect to gain from it?" Just because a bunch of kids have a game running somewhere doesn't mean you have to decide to step onto their court and try to play.
MCChris Posted June 9, 2020 Posted June 9, 2020 On 6/8/2020 at 1:27 PM, LucSulla said: I don't know how big Fulltone is, but I'm sure he's not the only one working there. Him deciding to go all alpha dog on social media probably just took food off some tables that would have been there otherwise, and all in the pursuit of what exactly?
LucSulla Posted June 9, 2020 Posted June 9, 2020 18 hours ago, RobB said: Fuller has been running a one-man shop since mid-March, his staff furloughed. Welp, I guess the good news for them is that they may not have to worry about where the economy shakes out anymore.
FGJ Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 11 hours ago, Studio Custom said: In a polarized political system it wise to keep your views private, especially if stating them will alienate half of your customer base. Since musical people tend to be more liberally minded, he may have alienated 80%. If I were so fragile that I'd have to stop buying stuff from people with whom I disagree, I'd end up living in the forest, eating berries and using pine-cones for toilet-paper.
Studio Custom Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, FGJ said: If I were so fragile that I'd have to stop buying stuff from people with whom I disagree, I'd end up living in the forest, eating berries and using pine-cones for toilet-paper. We all vote with our purchases. Many people do not want to support those they disagree with. Example: I have not purchased Exxon gasoline since the Valdez, or BP since their debacle.
zenmindbeginner Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 Conformity, acquiescence and bowing to social pressure is the exact opposite of rock and roll. slave labor = ok property destruction = ok opinions = not ok Nice. Stay classy America
sixesandsevens Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 On 6/9/2020 at 12:18 AM, FGJ said: While I think people should be free to express even unpopular ideas without the threat of cancel culture affecting them. They are, as long as they do it on a slow medium with an easy way to walk it back. For example, in the privacy of your home or in person with friends. The price of social media exposure is the risk of cancel culture retaliation: streamlined dissemination begets streamlined blowback.
hamerhead Posted June 10, 2020 Posted June 10, 2020 13 hours ago, FGJ said: .... end up living in the forest, eating berries and using pine-cones for toilet-paper. I already live in the woods, eat more berries 'cuz I'm old, and that pandemic leftover asswipe is close. What's your point?
FGJ Posted June 11, 2020 Posted June 11, 2020 22 hours ago, Studio Custom said: We all vote with our purchases. Many people do not want to support those they disagree with. Example: I have not purchased Exxon gasoline since the Valdez, or BP since their debacle. I don't. I vote with a ballot... or sometimes with a raised arm, but that's only when deciding which video to watch on a Saturday night or whether we're going to buy Popeye's chicken instead of the Colonel's (and never when I'm wearing a wife-beater, because no one wants to see the fur waving at them from my pits). As far as shopping goes, I buy whatever represents a better value for my money, or if it's something I just want. I'm certainly not going to buy junk because I agree with whoever made it, nor am I going to pass up a deal on new tires just because the guy selling it enjoys torturing kittens on his day off (not that I agree with torturing kittens mind you; I would certainly loath such a person...as I cruise down the highway on my new treads). Like I said, if I avoided buying from a company with whom I disagreed about one thing or another, I'd be living in a cave and avoiding civilization. It just seems quixotic to expect everyone to agree on everything. In the words of that famous philosopher and royalty, Rodney King, "People, I just want to say, can't we all get along?"
Studio Custom Posted June 11, 2020 Posted June 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, FGJ said: I don't. I vote with a ballot... or sometimes with a raised arm, but that's only when deciding which video to watch on a Saturday night or whether we're going to buy Popeye's chicken instead of the Colonel's (and never when I'm wearing a wife-beater, because no one wants to see the fur waving at them from my pits). As far as shopping goes, I buy whatever represents a better value for my money, or if it's something I just want. I'm certainly not going to buy junk because I agree with whoever made it, nor am I going to pass up a deal on new tires just because the guy selling it enjoys torturing kittens on his day off (not that I agree with torturing kittens mind you; I would certainly loath such a person...as I cruise down the highway on my new treads). Like I said, if I avoided buying from a company with whom I disagreed about one thing or another, I'd be living in a cave and avoiding civilization. It just seems quixotic to expect everyone to agree on everything. In the words of that famous philosopher and royalty, Rodney King, "People, I just want to say, can't we all get along?" Who’s running against Mike Fuller at the ballot box?
BadgerDave Posted June 11, 2020 Posted June 11, 2020 On 6/9/2020 at 12:03 PM, Drew816 said: I don't think this one has hit TGP yet, we're all still hung up on the Cruz firing... Or I'm just not paying enough attention and missed it; which is good! Overall yeah, there's a bit of over-reaction here and absolutely abhorrent statements or memes there and the irony is none of it's "necessary." The only thing you're guaranteed to do is piss somebody off! EDIT: FOUND IT, great stuff! 😉 TGP Fulltone Thread... I think Mike Fuller hit a nerve with the TGP crowd when he maligned sitting down to pee.
tommy p Posted June 11, 2020 Posted June 11, 2020 On 6/8/2020 at 4:20 PM, killerteddybear said: The essential question is: How much of a shitstorm is this topic creating on The Gear Page? 🤣 I had not logged on there in forever, but I went to check that thread and it was 17 pages already. Talking about tl;dr! I just signed out.
Studio Custom Posted June 11, 2020 Posted June 11, 2020 7 hours ago, FGJ said: No one. That's why you don't vote with your wallet. No, that is exactly why you do vote with your wallet. By your logic, if Hitler made wonderful cookies you’d be all in, hell maybe he even had the ovens warmed already!
Steve Haynie Posted June 11, 2020 Posted June 11, 2020 Nope. Voting and not buying products are not the same. If Hitler made cookies there would only be a few people who actually would care about the man behind the cookies.
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