2015 Dave Grohl TRIBUTE 335 Guitar

[LucSulla]

10 hours ago, MCChris said:

To say nothing of your aversion to banana bunches in buttholes.

So that was the picture. 

[DaveL]

8 hours ago, cynic said:

I think it's a Burstbucker Pro set.

 

 

many of these recent Gibson pickups have labels like this,   They did get the "wound by PS" correct but note the

thinner font and date   the bottom pickup is a Burstbucker Pro...     If they can put a phony label in the soundhole,

fake serial #, etc...  wouldn't trust anything about that guitar. 

 

 

[MCChris]

We've already established that the guitar is a canoe paddle at best.

However, I have little sympathy for people whose sole intention is to accumulate as much cheap junk as they can, simply because it's comparatively inexpensive. Guys like that are primed to be hosed by sellers like Brent, all because they can't resist a "deal."

Raise your standards, both in terms of the stuff you buy and the people you deal with.

[cynic]

9 minutes ago, DaveL said:

If they can put a phony label in the soundhole,

fake serial #, etc...  wouldn't trust anything about that guitar. 

I think they are genuine Gibson Burstbucker Pro pickups that he installed after having the guitar imported from "craigslist".   With his demonstrated level of attention to detail, I'm sure he believed they were 57 Classics.  We all know that no guitar left his hands unmolested.  I'm sure he stripped this one down to "buff it out" like all his others.

 

[murkat]

^OMFG.

No.

[The Shark]

1 hour ago, murkat said:

^OMFG.

No.

Yup, that's how you do it! 

[BubbaVO]

I wouldn't buff a Hamer or Gibson that way, but a Heritage?  I got no problems with that.

[Keoghpjk]

7 minutes ago, BubbaVO said:

I wouldn't buff a Hamer or Gibson that way, but a Heritage?  I got no problems with that.

I believe a Heritage can safely be buffed out with a belt sander, or just plain 'ol fire.

[velorush]

45 minutes ago, Keoghpjk said:

I believe a Heritage can safely be buffed out with a belt sander, or just plain 'ol fire.

Spewed coffee!

 

[mrjamiam]

3 hours ago, DaveL said:

many of these recent Gibson pickups have labels like this,   They did get the "wound by PS" correct but note the

thinner font and date   the bottom pickup is a Burstbucker Pro...     If they can put a phony label in the soundhole,

fake serial #, etc...  wouldn't trust anything about that guitar. 

There's the problem - once trust is gone, it's all gone.

[crunchee]

1 hour ago, BubbaVO said:

I wouldn't buff a Hamer or Gibson that way, but a Heritage?  I got no problems with that.

 

1 hour ago, Keoghpjk said:

I believe a Heritage can safely be buffed out with a belt sander, or just plain 'ol fire.

Hey, EVH supposedly once took a belt sander to an ES-335 (the operative word here is ONCE), so it must be right!   

[Never2Late]

1 hour ago, mrjamiam said:

There's the problem - once trust is gone, it's all gone.

Well, he said upfront it WASN"T a Gibson.  If its not a "real Gibson", but it has Gibson on the headstock, and stuff on the back of the headstock that looks fishy, then anyone with two brain cells in their skull knows what the deal is.  Its a copy.  DUH....I'm feeling we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.  I figured all that out before Mr. Matthes chimed in - why the outrage?  If people wanted more info, that's what the PM inbox is for, right?  Nobody sells a 'real Gibson' for $700 bucks, unless the headstock has been sheared-off and dropped into a wood-chipper along with half the neck.

[scottcald]

4 hours ago, MCChris said:

We've already established that the guitar is a canoe paddle at best.

However, I have little sympathy for people whose sole intention is to accumulate as much cheap junk as they can, simply because it's comparatively inexpensive. Guys like that are primed to be hosed by sellers like Brent, all because they can't resist a "deal."

Raise your standards, both in terms of the stuff you buy and the people you deal with.

True and if you can't afford the top dollar guitars, save up or buy one of the many decent mid range guitars. 

[mrjamiam]

32 minutes ago, Never2Late said:

Well, he said upfront it WASN"T a Gibson.  If its not a "real Gibson", but it has Gibson on the headstock, and stuff on the back of the headstock that looks fishy, then anyone with two brain cells in their skull knows what the deal is.  Its a copy.  DUH....I'm feeling we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.  I figured all that out before Mr. Matthes chimed in - why the outrage?  If people wanted more info, that's what the PM inbox is for, right?  Nobody sells a 'real Gibson' for $700 bucks, unless the headstock has been sheared-off and dropped into a wood-chipper along with half the neck.

Everyone can draw their own conclusions.  For me, it's this way - it appears to be a Gibson model, and it's labeled Gibson, but it's said not to be a Gibson.  But it has real Gibson pickups.... Right....  I can't believe any of it at that point.  I close up my wallet and walk away.  And I wonder about the next Gibson I see, suspiciously low price or not.

The only reason I see to falsely label a guitar is to increase its value.  The only way to realize value is to exchange it for something, and in that case the other party gets screwed.  We all know that fine-playing guitars can be had at all price points.  The main driver of price differences appears to be the manufacturer, which has established a reputation through its body of work, and we know the manufacturer by its label.

I've seen strat types and tele types for sale on my local craigslist clearly marked with a Fender logo decal, but that the seller says isn't a Fender.  I wonder if the next time it's sold, the new seller will do that.  I'm under the impression that the "it's not a real Fender" statement is supposed to inoculate the seller against counterfeiting charges from the copyright holder, but what I'd like to see is the copyright holder pull up to the seller's location with a woodchipper.

On a lighter note, I would probably plunk down some money for a "Chibson" tee shirt.  Especially if it was made in USA.

[currypowder]

1 hour ago, Never2Late said:

Well, he said upfront it WASN"T a Gibson.  If its not a "real Gibson", but it has Gibson on the headstock, and stuff on the back of the headstock that looks fishy, then anyone with two brain cells in their skull knows what the deal is.  Its a copy.  DUH....I'm feeling we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.  I figured all that out before Mr. Matthes chimed in - why the outrage?  If people wanted more info, that's what the PM inbox is for, right?  Nobody sells a 'real Gibson' for $700 bucks, unless the headstock has been sheared-off and dropped into a wood-chipper along with half the neck.

The problem with the posting, for me anyway, was that Brent stated that it wasn't a Gibson, the previous owner had it built, and that he didn't know what it was. While that may be true in the strictest sense, it's hard for me to believe that Brent didn't at least have a strong suspicion that it was a Chinese fake. But, OK, maybe he really has no clue. Then he posted a reply to cmatthes that indicated he "has a pretty good idea" of what it is. In my mind, that's where the listing went into intentionally misleading territory. 

I get it that everyone is responsible for knowing what they are purchasing. And I'm pretty certain that not one regular or long-term member here gave this listing any consideration. But, IMO, the buying and selling that goes on around here is a cut above. Many of us have had many dealings with each other without a problem. This listing crossed that line and I, for one, am very happy that Brent got called on it. Just because most of us know what to look for (or think we do), there could have been a new member taken in by it.

For the record, he also had it listed on Reverb and The Gear Page and it was taken down at both. 

[MCChris]

There also is precedent for this sort of thing from him. Remember the kerfuffle over the phony EBMM EVH model?

[cmatthes]

Never2late - the fact that you're missing is that Brent knows (and knew) EXACTLY what it is.  This is not his first rodeo, and he has been spamming every gear-related discussion board with his mass guitar flippings for years.  Saying he is an experienced seller is like saying the Grand Canyon is a nice ditch.  

Omission of a key known fact is outright dishonesty.  He was already on his last strike here for a number of reasons, and the fact that I gave him the chance to discuss it with me offline and not on his For Sale thread - an easy opportunity to come clean and be honest - yet he deliberately chose not to do so was the last straw.

This was nothing personal, and I give zero fucks about what the guy does off of our board.  We have a 20-year reputation here for excellence, trust and fairness in dealing that I'll bet you won't find elsewhere, and we're going to make sure that things stay that way.  He chose to add to his already shady, sketchy reputation, and that is that.

End of story.

[LucSulla]

4 minutes ago, currypowder said:

The problem with the posting, for me anyway, was that Brent stated that it wasn't a Gibson, the previous owner had it built, and that he didn't know what it was. While that may be true in the strictest sense, it's hard for me to believe that Brent didn't at least have a strong suspicion that it was a Chinese fake. But, OK, maybe he really has no clue. Then he posted a reply to cmatthes that indicated he "has a pretty good idea" of what it is. In my mind, that's where the listing went into intentionally misleading territory. 

I gave it the benefit of the doubt too until Chris' first post and Brent's replying that he knew what the story was. I lie of omission is still a lie. In fact, I'll go even further - a lie of omission is still a lie even if you don't think that you are lying.  And saying, "I don't know what it is," after saying the person claimed it was built for him when he apparently knew at some point prior to Chris' post exactly what it was... well, sad to say it, as I was always tickled by Brent's hustle and the running joke it made for, but that was just straight up shaddy by someone who has been selling guitars way too long to have an excuse. 

[Carl.B]

I don't know if Brent paid close to $700 that he was asking but I rather doubt it. I know he was called out a few years ago on TGP for his asking price & description buy the previous owner, and the FS post was removed shortly after I saw it. Chris gave him a chance to come clean and he chose to not too. I imagine he will be regulated to selling on ebay only as he is burning bridges across the different guitar forums.

Carl B

[Hamersaur]

American or Chinese, they're still ugly. YMMV

[serial]

I'm still stuck on Turtle Wax...

[The Shark]

The problem is Brent told Chris in the thread that he had a pretty good idea what it was.  An hour passed and he didn't revise the listing.  I did notice that it was taken down at TGP.  I don't think Brent deleted it willingly as it isn't listed in his previous activity.  That speaks volumes.   

 

[cmatthes]

If it helps, TGP has a very strict rule (it is literally posted EVERYWHERE on that site) against posting anything with Counterfeit, Forged or Illegal products.

Rules apparently do not apply to some people.

[django49]

1 hour ago, Carl.B said:

I don't know if Brent paid close to $700 that he was asking but I rather doubt it. I know he was called out a few years ago on TGP for his asking price & description buy the previous owner, and the FS post was removed shortly after I saw it. Chris gave him a chance to come clean and he chose to not too. I imagine he will be regulated to selling on ebay only as he is burning bridges across the different guitar forums.

Carl B

It would not take too many semi-honest sales on eBay to be blown up there too. But there is always Craigslist......

For myself, maybe as much as anybody, i really DO appreciate the opportunity to have an above-board "working relationship" between buyers and sellers, WITH the trust that, IF something ever turns out less than 100% as expected, it WILL be made right.

[BubbaVO]

2 hours ago, currypowder said:

But, IMO, the buying and selling that goes on around here is a cut above. Many of us have had many dealings with each other without a problem. This listing crossed that line and I, for one, am very happy that Brent got called on it. Just because most of us know what to look for (or think we do), there could have been a new member taken in by it.

 

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