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I assume we all love Hamer and I guess I know why, so let's talk about other guitar brands you like, as well as the ones you hate. But more importantly, why do you have such feelings?

I play first:

Dean: I love their Vees. They represent to me what Hamer never actually was during its ten last years: a solid American alternative to Gibson that working musicians can afford. Even their import models are great. Quality? Check! Coolness factor? Check! Fanciness? Check! Modernity? Check! Linage? Check! I must however say I cannot care less about their relationship with the Dime estate, but I still see them as an authentic company which treats its customers well and which remains competitive. They also keep many players engaged by organizing the yearly DOA events, thus capitalizing on their supportive and enthusiastic community.

Hoyer: German brand which got revitalized by Ritter in recent years. Their MiK import models are stunningly good. I don't really know how they could keep the prices so low. My two Arrows are dependable guitars which are built impeccably and look awesome. In addition, their vintage models, made in Germany, are top notch.

Gibson: The one I loved to hate did design the Vee and the SG, the designs I love the most. I had tried some of their axes in the past and always felt they lacked "something". However, relatively recently I got into the 67 Vees and have developed a strong bond with that model. Still have an ambivalent feeling towards the company, but yes, the 67 Vees do rule. :)

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Love:

Dean. Had a American and a Japanese Soltero. Pretty good stuff. Miss them. Good woods, great necks, great playbility, fantastic sound.

Washburn. Surprise. The CS models are not as high leveled as Hamers (well, some are). But they are great guitars, completley underrated.

Peavey. See above.

 

Hate:

None. But lots of brands I do not care for at all. On the top of the list: The big F, the G and the P... 

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Love:

Music Man can do no wrong.  Not every guitar or bass suits me, but all are impressive. 

Love/Hate:

Hating Gibson has more to do with the management than it does the guitars.  There have been design elements that have been awful as the company searches for marketing gimmicks.  Quality has been affected by management pushing production quotas.  The longest lasting models are truly loved by many, with any changes bringing hateful comments.  When we see some of the newest offerings many of us want the guitar in theory, but we are turned off by what the company does before we ever see those new instruments. 

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I'm so biased as a repair guy now in addition to a long-time player who's had a run with seemingly everything under the sun at some point. That being said:

Loves: Hamer, G&L, ESP.  I anticipate a pile-on from haters for the last in that list, but their truly MIJ stuff, even their Standard Series production, are consistently great packages.

Hates: Here's a cut-and-paste from a post I recently put at one of the other forums I frequent.

Nothing surprises me with Gibson QC. I have lost count of my tirades on this in my shop with clients. Just last week, I received a new '76 reissue Explorer for a pickup change and found a massive glop of finish on the truss rod nut that I had to meticulously remove with exacto/razor blades to do a simple rod adjustment without compromising the surrounding finish. On a guitar that streets for $1,700. That's the second Gibson in recent times I've had to do that on, charging clients for bench time that could have been easily avoided by one piece of pre-spray booth masking tape at the factory. Boy, that also speaks volumes for the set-up and final inspection at the end of the assembly line, huh?

The best yet was the "buzzy, humming" totally stock Explorer another client brought me a few months ago. Turns out no ground wire was run from the bridge to the harness. The channel was drilled, but no ground run. So I had to pull the tailpiece stud, run a ground and charge him bench time for that. Don't even get me started on the lack of consistency I see in fret and nut work that truly compromises the instruments' potential.

I get more FUFFs (fuck-up from factory) from Gibson to fix than I do from every other company combined, including Far East-manufactured budget/student instruments. That is beyond pathetic. It is unacceptable IMHO

I love my Les Pauls and any good Les Paul or good Gibson for that matter, I think most of us on the board will agree on that. But the shit I described above makes me not so fond of the brand, just select pieces that happen off the line. It's really sad.

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Dislike or reject:

Ibanez. Specially the shredders. Thin body, thin necks, thin everything... Then 3 pups, Floyds and all the gimmicks, just to hear the 99% of those who play them sounding like shit. Beurk!

PRS. Full of fancy features, aimed to a clientele who can certainly pay for them but... can they actually play? In any case, I don't know why, but no matter how great they might be, I still perceive them like... dull. Or fake. To me, the PRS is the perfect guitar for the aging douchebag... or for the rich wannabe.

PS: Sorry, folks, as I know some of you guys like at least one of the brands I just mentioned. I'll insist then on the fact that everything I've said here is based just on pre-judgements, questionable perceptions and an impulsive tendency to generalize. Love ya all!

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Like: Reverend. Cool designs, great quality and super consistent builds. Nash.  I don't like the whole relic thing at all. That said, Nash Strats and Telecasters are consistently amazing. Resonant, really well put together.

Dislike: Ibanez. Pretty to look at but the components, especially the electronics are mostly junk. Gibson. Inconsistent quality at uniformly premium prices. I actually own two, and love them both, but I've been through more than fifty to find them.

 

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I have outlined my attachment to (almost) anything Huber too many times. Little value in typing more superlatives.

I have also been knocked out by another German maker, Frank Hartung. I have only ever played two, but they were each totally kick ass.

On the US side, Scott Walker (in California) makes some incredible guitars.

Any of those three are amongst the best made in the world, at least in my opinion. And that pretty much goes for all of them, not just the fully decked out ones that some refer to as "furniture guitars".

I am also fond of Fibenare, though I do consider them a cut below the first three.

I have had mixed feelings about Paul Reed Smith. They have examples from $500 imports to $15,000 or more "Private Stock" and "Collection" instruments. I owned several in the 90s and, as pretty and well made as they were, they did not excite me for long. (I DID hold on to ONE out of the 12-14 I went through). Somehow the sound never quite resonated with me, pun intended. BUT, someone damaged my bank account by introducing me to some newer ones (more or less 2007 and later).

Since then, they have changed the finishes (still beautiful!) to be (and feel) less "glopped on" and less tone killing. At least as important, they have improved their pickups dramatically. At least if you like them more on the "vintage" side.....Which is NOT to say they do not have great options for those seeking a "heavier" sound.  And their choices have expanded. I have trouble pickling a favorite from such as the 408, 513, DGT, SC245 (and DC245 for that matter). And the newer Hollowbody IIs are vast improvements over the originals. Quality continues to improve. More scale lengths are available. And if you do desire something less traditional/more exotic, greater wood combinations abound. (How deep are your pockets?). It has been fun to try different woods including many beyond the typical mahogany, maple, rosewood, etc. Ebony board on a Brazilian neck? No problem. Ziracote, chaltecoco, pernambuco (the latter makes for a great neck!), Carved ebony TOP(!) Flamed maple necks. Their best are in the same class as the best of my first three referenced. FWIW, I am also highly impressed with their acoustics, but there it seems you mainly have to choose between $700 imports and $7-10k "Private Stocks", with not a lot in between.

All that said, PRS makes a great guitar in their "core line" at a respectable price. But I DO appreciate that they keep "innovating" rather than trying mainly to improve on 60 year old designs. Or new ways to MARKET the 60 year old design. Or coming out with silly new things out of desperation. AND they have not felt a need to expand into "relics",which is sure worth something. I can only wish that "certain parties" at Hamer had had the same devotion to marketing as does PRSh.

There are many others that are great. I will limit myself to what I know.

Dislikes? The usual suspects. Carvin (though I played a few that were decent enough). Went through a phase with Heritage. Actually still have one Heritage Jazzbox and one harder to find dreadnought. If I did not have a good example (or 3) of nice semi-hollows, I could easily get on with "the right" 535. Headstock jokes aside, there are some good ones. But I see no need to set off on that particular search again......It took long enough to find a "good 335".

 

ETA......A couple comments re Ibanez prompted my brain.......My LIMITED experience with the brand is a GB-10 (George Benson model). I only wish I had liked playing the Hamer Improv (as super nice as it was) as much as the GB-10....In actual playing situations.

And as to Gibson. I remain skeptical of the new stuff, even though there are good ones if you go with the higher end and/or do a careful search. It took me a long while to end up with one great LP and one great 335. Neither is 100% stock. No reason (for me) to do any further searching. The final remaining Gibson is an older Chet Atkins nylon string model.......Nice, but it is played so little that I decided to post it for sale.

My two cents worth.....

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Love:

Hamer - Best all-around brand, and the original boutique builder.

Suhr - The best bolt-on builder, along with Tom Anderson. Incredibly high build quality.

Tom Anderson - See above. 

Dean - The '70s era and some early '80s. Hameresque vibe, but not quite as cool. I prefer the shrimp fork head to the Vee head, however. 

Ibanez - Late '70s-early '80s era.Nice build quality for MIJ.

 

Dislike:

Peavey T-series - Great quality, yeah, I know. But the design aesthetics are akin to fender skirts on pickup trucks and flared-leg polyester bowling slacks. Frankly, Peavey body shapes were never great, IMO, although build quality of USA models was always high. 

Minarik: way, way over the top on inlay work and odd shapes. Schecter, ESP, and Tregan have some horrible looking insect-inspired body shapes on a couple of models as well. 

Heritage: Their semi-hollows are nice, but it seems like they retained some of the less desirable build traits from Gibson after the big firm pulled up stakes in Michigan. 

ETA: Fano - I know a few guys who really dig the hybrid designs, yet I just don't find Fano's versions of the lovechild borne of LP Junior/Tele/Strat orgies. And they are incredibly expensive for what they are. 

 

 

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Love: Suhr. John seems to know how to "fix" everything "wrong" with classic bolt-on designs. And I love his pickups. And their support is great. 

Hate: There are numerous guitars I've never had the slightest bit of interest in (such as anything Dean Zelinsky's ever been involved in) but I don't waste my hate on unimportant stuff like guitar brands :D

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Austin

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Hate:

Heritage. They kept everything crappy about Norlin Gibsons and made them uglier.

Carvin.  Horrible sounding guitars.  The worst.

Love:

Gibson Historic/Custom Shop.  Slag away, but I've owned a couple hundred guitars and very little compares to the GCS stuff I own.

Hamer.  Duh.

Shishkov.  Superb.  The best.

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Love: Hamer (obviously)--too bad their resale value isn't that great.

          G&L--custom shop quality for a non-custom shop price.

          Guild (pre-Fender)--fantastic quality; their electrics were very underrated.  

          Tacoma--excellent build quality and sound, for a reasonable price.

 

Love/Hate:  Gibson--my first "good" guitar is my '89 LP Custom. I've had more than several Gibsons, and most of them I've had no problems with. Their QC is spotty, especially considering the number of guitars they make every day.  Some of their designs are weird (to me), and the prices they charge can be outrageous.

                     Heritage--well-made guitars, though they seem to do better with their semi-hollow body guitars. Every solid-body guitar I've owned had some sort of obvious finishing flaw, while their semi-hollows were just about perfect. They only have a one-year warranty, which I think is ridiculous. 

 

Hate: Fender--they buy good companies, promise to make them better, then shut their doors a few years after their acquisition (Hamer, Guild, Tacoma, etc.)

 

 

 

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Love and hate are kind of strong but...

Usually am drawn to Guild. Each one I've tried has been very well built, great value, and had a good sound. Bluesbirds are the shiznit.

Like Yairii acoustics. Lots of value for the money, well-built, understated guitars.

Love my "modern" Gretsch 6120 (a brand that FMIC swallowed up and vastly improved) but their Electromatics are just average Indochine stuff and the vitage ones can range from divine to warped, crumbly, miswired crapfests.

I've only played two Carvins, tops, but they gave a first impression of being weird. Just not my cup of tea.

 

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2 hours ago, Thundersteel said:

Guild (pre-Fender)--fantastic quality; their electrics were very underrated. 

I've had four Guilds, two Westerly and two from the Corona Fender CS.

I kept the Fender ones. All were great, but the Fender ones were freaking off the charts. Serial can testify to the awesomeness of that holoflake Bluebird we've both owned. I have a red flame-maple top Corona-built Bluesbird that is even better, I shit you not. Maybe I just got lucky.

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I know you all have been desperately thirsting for my input on this, barely able to contain your impatience.  Well, wait no longer.

I used to love Westones. After almost a decade of playing around with them, I've decided that they have some really good concepts, but are just slightly lacking in execution. Nothing wrong with them, really, just when I have them, I don't find myself reaching for them. That kind of goes for Alvarez, too.

I used to love Fernandes. I found them when they were trying to do budget bling guitars. They always had good sound, tho, but the quality was cheaped out. As I later explored their MIJ stuff, it just couldn't hold my attention.

I used to love Hamer import guitars. I am still convinced they are really good quality. The Hamer Slammer Series, especially, just seem like an amazing deal. Yet, none of them were keepers, in the end.

I really like Hamer USA guitars.  After years of experimentation, I realized that the only ones I can love are the Superstrats, but that's more about my love of Superstrats and dislike of Gibson-style guitars than any problem with Hamer.  Of the Hamer USA Superstrats, years of experimentation has also led me to realize that I really love Diablos. That is the perfect guitar for me: flat fretboard, thin neck, easy to hold, responsive trem...perfect!

I love Jon Kammerer guitars. We've hashed that, no need to re-hash it.

The guitars I love the most, though, are Yamahas. I can't get over how good of a guitar you get for such a low price. The guitar that sounds and plays the best is probably my Yamaha PAC 921. Close to it is Yamaha PAC 1221. My PAC 712 sounds even better, but the trem isn't quite as good. The best sounding neck single coil I've ever heard is on the Yamaha PAC 700E (I've owned 4, and yes: they are all that good). The PAC 611 HFM is gorgeous, sounds great, and has one of the coolest configurations ever: splittable HB in the bridge with P-90 in the neck. I could go on and on about how awesome they are. The quality, even from the Indonesian-made ones, is consistently awesome.  The only thing with Yamaha is you have to stay away from anything in the 200 series or lower. With the PAC line, you should stay from anything below the 600 series.  In my opinion, you can almost look at the number of any Yamaha guitar and figure it is worth about that much in US dollars, in quality. A PAC 921 plays like what you'd expect a guitar that sells used for $900 plays...but the Yamaha goes for $300 to $400. An RGX 1212 plays like what a guitar that sells used for $1200 plays like...but the market has it top out at $500 max.  Simply the best value in guitars, period. IMHO.

I have enjoyed PRS.  They have a luxury to them that is apparent any time you hold one. I have a problem with their tone, though: their neck pickup is always too dark/muddy for me (or as some people put it: warm).  I have two Swamp Ash Specials that are probably keepers, but I could sell them and probably wouldn't miss them too much.  But they play and sound very good.  Just...soulless?  Dunno. I'm going to give them a few years before I pass judgment. The others all got sold, tho.

Other than that, I really like quirky and somewhat rare guitars.  I LOVE LOVE LOVE my B-Way Mercury Head. I love my Guild Aviator S-284. I love my Gary Kramer Guitars Crusader Deluxe. I love my Czech-made Hohner RTX Revelation. I love my Switch Vibracell. I love my Rainsong guitars.  I love my Murkat Bengal.  I even love my Carvin Bolt, but it took buying/selling 8-10 Carvins before I found this keeper.

Hate:

I don't *hate* Gibson, but I've never found one I ever wanted to try out, much less keep. SGs and Les Pauls leave me cold. Not a real fan of Explorers, either .

I don't hate Fender, either, but I tend to shy away from them due to concerns of value to cost. They have some cool other guitars.  I sold the MIJ Fender Aerodyne I had, regret it slightly. I had a MIK Fender Showmaster that was gorgeous and sounded great, almost made the keeper cut. Atomic Music had a few Fenders I considered getting...2-point strats, Srats with Kahler trems and Lace Sensors, even a Fender Lead (would have gotten it, but the action was way high and I couldn't tell at a glance if it was fixable or not).

And now you know...

 

 

...the rest of the story.

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Not much that I HATE, but I have absolutely less than zero interest in a lot of stuff out there.

I've been heavily into guitars since the '70s, and seen/played/tried pretty much every brand at least once - some are just so bad that I can't understand why people insist that they aren't utter shit.  

The Shitty:

* MusicVox - honestly?  Unplayable, cheap imported garbage.

* Heritage - with rare exceptions of some of their higher end hollow/semis, I've seen less turds at a dog park.

* Peavey - I know there are some good ones out there, but I played a 30 lb. Peavey bass in a band in college and have never been remotely interested in anything they make since then.

* Carvin - the most sterile, boring guitars I've ever played.  I *get* the whole thrill of designing a custom instrument and all that, and used to get their catalogs regularly, but with the exception of maybe a bass I've played...meh.

* Washburn - Some nicely made guitars in the mix, I'm sure, but they never did anything for me.

* Xaviere/Minarik/Rondo/etc. - why spend ANY money on a crappy instrument?   I'd rather skip the slave labor and hazardous waste factors and just buy my firewood directly from a local tree farm.  Same with cheap-O parts guitars - why bother?  Go top quality or don't bother me!  

* Kammerer (just for NOBF!) :D

There are others, I'm sure, and there are guitars that some of the better companies make that won't even get a yawn from me.  If I'm going to buy or build something, I don't see the point in scraping bottom just for more stuff - that's pointless to me.  I've owned some great cheap guitars and some crappy expensive guitars, but it's not ever been about stick count.  I would rather have one really great guitar that I love to play than 30 pieces of crap taking up space because they are cheaply priced.  I can honestly say that I wouldn't want any of the above guitars if you gave them to me.  I know I'd never play them and couldn't even be bothered to go through the trouble of liquidating any of them for cash.

 

What do I like?

I LOVE my Shishkov.  Can't wait to get my hands on my second one - THIS is exciting stuff to me!

I love my Hamers.  Honestly, I've loved every one I've ever owned.

I have an '80s PRS that I've owned since it was new that is still a great guitar, but with the exception of the 12 string, the 3 P-90 22 fretter and the DGT, I don't know that I've looked at another one of their guitars twice.  The DGT is a GREAT guitar though - a REALLY GREAT guitar.

Still a sucker for well-made classic Gibson & Fender stuff, but no desire to own any of the standard line stuff really.  Maybe another Custom/Historic Firebird, SG or something one of these days, but I'm not socking money away for anything.

Rickenbackers - I went through a RIC phase in the '80s/early '90s, but don't own any now.  I always get down the path of picking up another one, and then something reminds me why I got rid of the ones I did have.  I'm currently infatuated (again) with a 360/WB or V64, but know I'll eventually come to my senses.

Gretsch - I've owned '60s Gretsches, and they were cool at the time, but I had too many issues with the vintage stuff.  There are still some of the reissues (FMIC ones) that float my boat though - I dig the Jets, Falcons, and every now and then want to flog a Bigsby on a 6120.

'70s Deans and BC Rich are still damned cool to me, for the most part.  Bit of that pre-teen lust with those...

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Fender. I don't know... I think I kinda love them, even if they killed my beloved Hamer brand --Stockholm syndrome? :rolleyes: The fact is, I still have to dislike one of their guitars. No matter what, Strats are a charm to play. Teles are cool too --though some are extremely heavy.

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Loves - Hamer, Gibson, G&L, and as of recent GJ2.  GJ2 are definitely my favorite bolt on stuff.  G&L is a very, very close second.  A good ASAT - any of them - is a wonderful guitar. 

"Hates" - Gibson.  I'm basically a Gibson guy.  After putting it to the Pepsi challenge, I am actually selling a Hamer I really like and keeping a Gibby I really like, though there are mitigating circumstances. And one of those mitigating circumstances is that I don't know that I would ever find another Les Paul that plays this nice for what I have in it.  I actually feel more comfortable finding another good example of a guitar not even made anymore than I do finding a good example of a guitar of which several hundred more were probably finished just today.  That ain't cool. 

Never cared much for Ibanez despite trying a few.  I don't like Parkers at all.  I kind of hate PRSi, not because they aren't quality instruments, but because they lull me in like a siren periodically only to once again realize that I just never truly love them. 

 

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Love

Hamers, classic Fenders, classic Gibsons,

Hate

Carvin, Dean, Peavey, 

Lust

Shishkov

Curious

Suhr, G&L

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Like: Gretsch:  My 1st and only for fifteen years was a Gretsch, so I'm biased.  In addition to a trio of old BST's, I've got a G6114 and G6130 that are both superb guitars.

Gibson CS: Gibson will never make another dime off me, but a nice LP or even SG is what my wheelhouse is made of.

Shishkov:  I haven't been in touch for my second order yet, but I think Bubs and I are heading down a similar road.

PRS:  Fortunately there are those that buy the high price fluff that allows them to keep innovating their lower price options.  The Mira is the best US production guitar to come out in a decade.

Dislike:  Heritage.  I've never even seen one in person, and not a freakin thing about them makes me want to.

Meh:  EBMM.  Great quality but uninspiring

Fender:  If you bought a strat or tele from me that I bought new forty years ago, they'd probably still have the hang tags and plastic.

Other:  I like Hamer okay, but their appeal is more about price than my being a brand devotee.

 

 

 

 

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Love - Shur, Hamer, G&L and like several other brands that I've played.

Hate - Carvin, should have learned my lesson as a kid that worked and saved up money for months only to get a POS Carvin amp that they never would make right. Decades later bought an H2 (New), beautiful guitar in every respect, killer maple top and Birdseye maple neck. Massive fret buzz from about the 9th - 15th frets on the G,B and E strings. Went to adjust the neck relief and the truss rod was adjusted all of the way out from the factory, turning it the other way just made it worse. Called Carvin and they said send it back and we'll make it right. After several weeks it came back exactly the same. They could make Hamer Cali replicas for $100 and I wouldn't even look twice.

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                                                        Hate is a strong word so.................not a fan of Heritage and have never had the desire to own one,...........or the new Gibbys [there are some older great ones.........LPs 335,355 etc.Vox guitars I tried several of the new ones back here several years ago and they were terribly overpriced for what they were [Which is a shame because Rich Lasner of Ibanez and Yamaha fame designed them] Carvin............NOT! Some older Fenders although there were some that looked cool and played great there were hits and misses with the ones I had. Some others I just never explored. EB/MM I have heard great things about but honestly never had a desire to own one............I could name others that fall into that realm as well. For me i was lucky to own some great old Gibsons and Fenders back in the day.............. later Yamaha electrics [The older ones... Yamaha SA2000s Pacificas 1412,1421,SGs Weddingtons,Yamaha Image Etc.] and to a lesser degree Yamaha acoustics they were my main guitars for a long time............I still think those were some of the best guitars made. [Their newer stuff not so much.] Hamer is where I'm at and where I'll stay till I can no longer play guitar.The chance to own something else does not interest me although I'm sure there are some great ones out there.Sure I have forgotten a few that passed though my hands...........I just count my self lucky that I have enjoyed guitars and music in general for so long, its been a great life along side my other life.

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Living where I live, I don't get to play much in the way of different. 

Love:
Hamer: really, all five I've owned were great, especially the one I've kept - magical!
Suhr: I played two at Walter Carter's Music in Nashville and they were both absolutely extraordinary. Planning on one for my next S-type as soon as another sells.
PRS KL380: other PRS' were fine, but I played a used KL380 at GC around five years ago and it still haunts me.  We were around $300 apart.
My Gibsons: I've owned my current '91 HRF, a '73 SG and a late 60's ES-355 and I really liked them all.  Others, not so much.
Taylor GS Series: I've always felt a little VH ("they're not loud enough") about acoustic guitars, but there was a period where I went to GC and played the Taylor GS series guitars regularly enough the acoustic guys began to recognize me. They are extraordinary (IMO - but I know absolutely nothing of acoustic guitars).

Tragic:
I would love to love Ibanez. I loved the shapes and colors of their 80's guitars and many since, but the necks!  What is the deal with those teeny necks?

 

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In some way a different and close perspective. I haven't reached out very far and I thinknI don't need to. I love every single one of the few Hamers I own. I love the two Bo Diddley style Scheithauers made to my own specs and design. Hoyer made fantastic guitars in the 70s and early 80s. I'm just managing to bring a Hoyer Explorer home. A guitar as rare it took about 10 years to hunt. Thanks to Zorrow's fond for Hoyers I have had success eventually scoring one. You are s true friend man!

Anything else doesn't fuel GAS really. I have not been a mainstream guy anyway and cannot see the ever equal outlines anymore that's been copied over and over for decades, regardless of historic achievements.

Maybe a Jens Ritter Princess Arabells or a Shishkov. I had one food in the door for both, but pulled it back for a reason. That may be a sign. Who knows...

It remains fun and interesting. B)

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Love: 

Guitars

Come on guys. Is it possible to hate guitars? Even the Gittler and Steinbergers have their charm.

Hate:

Clarinets

 

That annoying sound is haunting and plain disturbing. Hate it! 

 

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