atquinn Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 The funny part is, any of the other guitarists who've ever been in Megadeth could've probably nailed this.-Austin
coolfeel Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 No telling the circumstances that played into his performance - or how he views his performance. Performing with an orchestra has it's own set of challenges aside from the preparation it takes to pull it off at a high level. Although I dig Megadeth and Dave in that setting, nothing I have ever heard him do would lead me to believe he would perform something like this on an elite, or even simply a high level. His playing isn't that crisp or refined - not a knock at all - just an observation. It takes a very disciplined approach to play classical pieces at a high level. Someone mentioned Steve Vai in relation to this type of gig. Steve's career demonstrates/reflects the discipline needed to pull it off. That is why he has done it numerous times and sounds very good doing it. It is his schtick - so-to-speak.All that too say - although it is a bad performance to my ears, it isn't necessarily surprising. If that were Steve Vai - on the other hand...
Ting Ho Dung Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 I read this and actually didn't want to see the videos...i feel sorry for him, but as the article says, you need to be better prepare to tackle the classics (Maalsteem would have been awesome i think)Oh.....If only he hadn't given up on Satan.
LucSulla Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 I must be a terrible person because I rather enjoyed watching ole MegaDave getting knocked down a peg, especially given all of his shit-talking over the years about Kirk Hammett's "meager talents." Kirk may not be a god, but Mustaine has no room to knock solid, standard-issue metal shredders because that's about all he is when it comes to soloing.
velorush Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 This is how it ought to be done, and not because it's performed here on violin as scored. Nigel Kennedy shows how to be a virtuoistic showman, musically significant, and entertaining all at once:Thanks JohnnyB! I got home to an empty house and cranked this way up (twice)! Fantastically done!
JohnnyB Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 This is how it ought to be done, and not because it's performed here on violin as scored. Nigel Kennedy shows how to be a virtuoistic showman, musically significant, and entertaining all at once: Thanks JohnnyB! I got home to an empty house and cranked this way up (twice)! Fantastically done! You can own the whole concert. I'm thinking about buying the DVD or at least borrowing it from Netflix. I found this CD (Nigel w/English Chamber Orch 1997 on EMI) at the library and have it on my computer now. This recording showed me how a superstar virtuoso can wake up The Four Seasons. Another great one is Pinchas Zukerman and the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra.
zorrow Posted April 17, 2014 Author Posted April 17, 2014 No telling the circumstances that played into his performance - or how he views his performance. Performing with an orchestra has it's own set of challenges aside from the preparation it takes to pull it off at a high level. Although I dig Megadeth and Dave in that setting, nothing I have ever heard him do would lead me to believe he would perform something like this on an elite, or even simply a high level. His playing isn't that crisp or refined - not a knock at all - just an observation. It takes a very disciplined approach to play classical pieces at a high level. Someone mentioned Steve Vai in relation to this type of gig. Steve's career demonstrates/reflects the discipline needed to pull it off. That is why he has done it numerous times and sounds very good doing it. It is his schtick - so-to-speak.All that too say - although it is a bad performance to my ears, it isn't necessarily surprising. If that were Steve Vai - on the other hand...Well, the point exactly is that he had never tried something like that before, so that was both the challenge and the fun of it. And that's why I also thought he was going to play at least at a decent level. He's a professional player after all, used to gig frequently, playing in a major band, with enough money to spend to get some help if needed and who has worked with many great guitarists too. If he dared to do it, in my mind it was because he felt he was ready.At the same time, you don't need Vai-level chops to play what Mustaine was going to play there. It just takes determination and discipline from someone like him, who already has everything else.
JohnnyB Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 ... Well, the point exactly is that he had never tried something like that before, so that was both the challenge and the fun of it. And that's why I also thought he was going to play at least at a decent level. He's a professional player after all, used to gig frequently, playing in a major band, with enough money to spend to get some help if needed and who has worked with many great guitarists too. If he dared to do it, in my mind it was because he felt he was ready. At the same time, you don't need Vai-level chops to play what Mustaine was going to play there. It just takes determination and discipline from someone like him, who already has everything else. Evidently Mustaine knew about the upcoming project about a year ago.
tbonesullivan Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 Dave Mustaine is a great rhythm guitarist, but honestly why was he even approached for this? He doesn't have that kind of technical ability.
it's me HHB Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 Hes always been an atonal toad and now he proves it. Im a huge fan of this LOL!!!
Biz Prof Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 The funny part is, any of the other guitarists who've ever been in Megadeth could've probably nailed this.-AustinThat was my first reaction: Poland, Friedman, Broderick....any of them would have likely licked this and made it sound quite cool.
Toadroller Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 They did a dry run, right?In my business, a dry run like that would have led to a performer having-the-flu, having-a-kid, being-double-booked, missing-the-flight...Heck, I can do what he did, stone cold. So long as it was in a blues minor scale.
Dasein Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 When I was 16, I had a whole summer to prep for a jury festival performance doing Steve Howe's "The Clap" (1985ish)....I waited till the last 3 days before I got serious about it. Performance day comes - I made it through, though just barely - as in skin of my teeth, keep smiling, skip that run... keep grinning...big finish tada!" It was about a 7 out of 10 performance that I still feel some measure of shame about (My worst by far). My guitar teacher at the time sat me down and told me about (a guy who later became my University Classical Instructor) a Classical player who would work on a performance piece for months until it was backward and forward perfect (eyes closed,pick up the song at any point in any measure and play through). He basically gave me shit for being so cavalier and disrespectful about my playing. It was a good lesson. Performance pieces where you are the solo artist are brutal -- especially in the Classical world --- you better be prepared.I just can't explain or fathom this disaster of a performance.... I've no explanation.
Dasein Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 Actually, I will add this: I know that these orchestras are usually all union guys and that there is little budget for "practice" in these kinds of performances --- as in Dave may not even had proper sessions with them before the piece --- some of this stuff is really complicated as far as union rules and pay vs play time.... Dave probably did all the prep and practice on his own, playing along with recordings of the various pieces.Where he probably failed is here: playing at home with a recording allows him to start and stop at will ---- and you can easily fool yourself that you have it covered because of that. As soon as you introduce a linear time clock in real time -- as in no pause - no restart -- no skipping a measure or two --- just plain linear clock time driving forward --- that's a whole differnt beast. A single hiccup can kill you for the rest of the piece
crunchee Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 The old one-liner comes to mind: "Ladies and gentlemen, I've suffered for my music, now it's your turn." Maybe they shoulda got The Great Kat instead of Mustaine. She shreds the classics AND plays speed violin, too.
anotherfreak Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 do not bring a knife to a gun fight More like a SPORK, if you ask me I have had one or two(maybe 3) really unprepared performances that went south, luckily only one was recorded I feel for him, and it is interesting to see it happen to someone of his "level" but he would never have made my list to be able to play this kind of material. The tone and volume are just aweful, that should have been nipped in rehearsal, or even soundcheck. I was waiting for the conductor to lean over and turn him down and cut some of those highs then get a "high five" from someone in the front row
zorrow Posted April 17, 2014 Author Posted April 17, 2014 Mustaine was approached just because he is Dave Mustaine, and that was going to be the cool part of it: getting a "raw" rock star (not a shredder or technical player) in this environment and making the whole thing work. It just looks like they approached it in an amateurish way. Firstly, the repertoire should've been less challenging for the soloist. Secondly, they should've used an arranger, plus a coach for the metal guy. Thirdly, as anotherfreak says, the tone and volume should've been adjusted in rehearsal. And finally, they should've planned a couple of more practices --hey, they couldn't allocate some extra budget for this? Really? Now I feel for Dave, even if he's the first person to blame for his own poor performance. He's sending a bittersweet message that it's both cynical and inspiring: "no matter how bad you are at it, you can still succeed". My side, I just want to practice more now.
devrock Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 I won't watch these videos. At least not now. I've been a huge MD fan since the mid 80s. Dave is an odd duck, but I certainly won't go as far as to say he's an asshole (I think he's quite paranoid on the political side of things - and, ok, he CAN be an asshole sometimes...) or a hack. The fact of the matter is he's managed to keep his band near the top of its game for nearly 30 years (with the exception of Risk and Youthanasia), pumping out better music than most of his peers consistently. Is he a sloppy soloist? Yes. Has he written some of the best thrash metal on the planet? By far. That said, Chris Broderick is the person who should have taken this on. Dave simply never had the training or chops at a classical level - and never will. Regardless, maybe this was sort of a bucket list thing for Dave and he did it, good or bad. I don't think many opportunities like this come up for metal players, so why not at least take a crack at it?
Jason01 Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 From symphony of destruction to destruction of a symphony
Montelovesco Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 More sorry than for anybody else I feel for poor Antonio Vivaldi. Listening to this piece of whatever you want to call it must have made him faint in the afterlife (beside the fact that his grave in Vienna was bulldozed away by some ignorant austrian f****ers). Sorry for the eruption but I really admire Vivaldi, and THAT he just did not earn.
carfish7 Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 I didn't like Marty's clip, either.I didn't like Marty's boots. Also too effing loud compared to the other instruments.
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